The Beginning of Totalitarianism in the U.S: The destruction of the memory of The Confederacy

a reply to: Mikemp44

So they killed Southerners by the thousands and forced the southern states to stay in the union but you think "this" is the start of totalitarianism?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Mikemp44

Serious question, meant with good intention.

Why are there no statues in The U.S. of British Kings and Queens who where on the throne during your colonial period?

After all................this is part of your history.

we may not have many statues but we have literally tens of thousands of towns and counties named after british royalty.
to deny that history by renaming all those towns and counties would be insane.

The state of Maryland is a literal shrine to british royalty, starting with the name of the state itself. The number of counties,towns ,villages,streets etc that are named for british royality is astounding.

just because the brits lost the war was no reason to try to erase history by renaming everything, that would just be silly.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused by your post. Is it a joke or a serious suggestion to the OP? If it's a joke I must admit it made me laugh, wonderful irony.😀 If not then...I'm still confused....

a reply to: Plotus

Preach honey PREACH. The truth will set you free! Thank you for your post. 😀

a reply to: daskakik

In truth, no. I knew this when we bailed out GM and Banks with tax dollars, but this event with Confederate monuments was the straw. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Thank you for posting friend. 😀

a reply to: Tardacus

That is a good point, and you further validated my case. Thank you my friend. 😀

Hm, what about Texas taking Thomas Jefferson out of history books and inserting capitalism instead, which was only a theory at the time.

a reply to: buster2010

Just so you know, "America" is a continent. The "United States" is a country and was founded on/by "treason". Perhaps, we should remove ourselves?

a reply to: Mordekaiser

In truth I have not, but would love more input! Thank you for posting, please share whatever you can. Consider me somewhat antiquated, but I wish to know everyone's opinion and experience. Both "Alt" movements dominate these days and it's refreshing to hear from someone who is in the thick of it.

I wonder, if by some miracle, California under Moonbeam Brown fights to secede, and almost (but not quite) succeeds with the help of Hollyweird actors, Silicon Valley and other Californians.

Will they then proceed to erect a statue of President Moonbeam, Space Cadet Michael Moore or General Mark Zuckerberg, in memory of fighting a fight they thought in their heart was a righteous one. (I would say 'bravely' but I can't envision that in my imagination.)

Nevertheless, 150 years later, will someone be going batship crazy and be demanding that the commemoration statues and other artifacts be dismantled because a certain group of people are offended by that period of our American history?

why is it always now, that the many must change everything to suit the few.
something seems wrong...
or perhaps its just me.

a reply to: Mikemp44

S&F for a good thread, on a serious topic.

It's appalling to me that people want to try and eliminate history in this fashion. The Civil War happened, the Confederacy was real, and the people involved on both sides were Americans. Monuments to their service, and in memory of events that happened, should never, EVER, be removed.

At the same time as some demand these are removed, they also want reparations for, that's right, slavery. So, we can't remember the people who were involved, but we have to pay for them? It's ludicrous!!

Have to say, too, that conflict is NOT forgotten, and won't be.

a reply to: luthier

In Mobile, Alabama we have statues honoring both commanders during the battle of Mobile. It's like that all over the south.

-Archaeologist

a reply to: network dude

Exactly! I agree one hundred percent! The PC police are ruining our fond memories of slavery!

originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: network dude

Exactly! I agree one hundred percent! The PC police are ruining our fond memories of slavery!

What an ignorant comment. SMFH

a reply to: ChickenChaser

It's not like that all over the south. And certainly most places don't have placks about white supremecy like the one in question, but here in Columbia Sc, and Texas Austin, And Dallas there were only Jefferson Davis and alike statues.

Certainly there are not Sherman statues here in Columbia where he burned the city to the ground and killed confederates for fun.

a reply to: network dude

Really? So the battles and the freedom of blacks is not celebrated in these memorials. I mean I live in a city half black, yet we just took down the flag that they raised only after the civil rights act.

a reply to: luthier

Well you are right. The south didn't memorialize war criminals only war heroes such as Admiral Farragut in Mobile. And yes there are cases of this throughout the south where major battles took place.

a reply to: ChickenChaser

Yes there are cases of this. Cases. Not in entirety.

I chose a war criminal purposely because several of the men memorialized on both sides are vile war criminals. And frankly am against memorializing them all unless they are in handcuffs in the sculpture. Even Lee whow is a more complex case is hard to say he was not a traitor by definition.

So a proud confederate war soldier standing guard at the capital in stone or metal, may have the same same social response to half the publics reaction as Sherman, torch in hand at the capital would. To half the population he may be a hero, to the other half a monster. It's about being realistic about the social contract.

I think we should hang nooses up in the trees of black neighborhoods in the South. Maybe put up a few burning crosses. After all, that is part of our history...