Yates and Clapper Testimony Begins

a reply to: JinMI

people who overstay their visas should be tried for Spying or sent to guantonimo bay because they are up to no good.

a reply to: yuppa

One could make the argument that because they are traveling to the United States they would soon be within the boundaries of those protections.

You make a fair point, though.

It's reasonable to point out that at the highest levels of the US legal system this very same debate has been taking place for months, now. With the same cases being cited and the same questions being raised regarding to persons traveling to the US.

originally posted by: Kali74
Is no one else curious why it took 18 days from the time the administration was informed that Flynn was compromised and his firing?

obama was aware of all kinds of stuff about Flynn and even re upped his security clearance despite what they knew in 2015.

So what's the problem? Because Trump?

Ok, so what's the penalty for this russian connection thing?

What are the dems looking for?

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: yuppa

One could make the argument that because they are traveling to the United States they would soon be within the boundaries of those protections.

You make a fair point, though.

It's reasonable to point out that at the highest levels of the US legal system this very same debate has been taking place for months, now. With the same cases being cited and the same questions being raised regarding to persons traveling to the US.

IF they could claim that then the Airliners would need to be deemed US soil,but they are not currently. No we just need a jerk to pass a law to make it so foreigners have to be screened before a flight to the US.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JinMI

people who overstay their visas should be tried for Spying or sent to guantonimo bay because they are up to no good.

Not always. I don't have the stats but suffice it to say I've known a few and all they wanted to do was work. They were ignorant to the repercussions as well as the process to being a citizen.

Conversely, as a general rule you could be very correct. They intend to break the law(s).

a reply to: UKTruth

Everyone that doesn't like Trump is partisan.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

He should had already been under investigation before trump even considered him in truth.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Kali74
Is no one else curious why it took 18 days from the time the administration was informed that Flynn was compromised and his firing?

obama was aware of all kinds of stuff about Flynn and even re upped his security clearance despite what they knew in 2015.

So what's the problem? Because Trump?

Ok, so what's the penalty for this russian connection thing?

What are the dems looking for?

As Spicer said, clearance lasts years. Obama warned Trump about Flynn.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JinMI

people who overstay their visas should be tried for Spying or sent to guantonimo bay because they are up to no good.

Blindfold and a smoke at sunrise!!

Ahh, good times....

Oh wait...smoking is bad for health..

a reply to: Kali74

No, but hose that fail to do their job in govt. because they don't like the outcome of an election certainly are. Yates proved herself unfit to hold that office. Perhaps she should do a job with less responsibility as she clearly can't handle anything like the job she backed into.

Fortunately Sessions is in the role now. A class above Yates... Well several really.

a reply to: JinMI

Obama wasn't the only one though.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: JinMI

Obama wasn't the only one though.

Who else in his "circle" was protesting the hiring of Flynn?

I mean you have to look at the barrage of crap that was flung in Trumps direction and since it was the absolute current head of the democratic party the information was coming from, I could see the reasoning.

What I don't understand is why he would rehire a scraps from the Obama administration.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

They're looking for a clear example of Trump's collusion with a foreign government where him or any of his staff knowingly and willingly cooperated in some fashion to meddle with the election process for a Trump victory. IMO, they are also looking for a way to prove that his connection to Russian oligarchs, Moscow, maybe even Putin directly, or the Russian mafia can be shown as a clear conflict of interests with his being President.

This would be grounds for impeachment and possibly charges of treason. Ultimately it would cause Trump to resign.

It's not only Democrats looking into this. It's clear that there are still plenty of Republican elected officials who want to know the truth when it comes to how connected Trump actually is to Russia. It's not going to look good for all those people who backed him up if theres evidence that he was in anyway involved with Russian interference in our political system.

a reply to: UKTruth

Regardless of how you feel about Yates and whether or not the 14th Amendment applies to the people affected by the EO, the EO does violate the Establishment Clause. That makes the law illegal and Yates was right to refuse to enforce it.

a reply to: AnonyMason

If they had something, they would show it already.

My thoughts is that they are looking for enough "evidence" to where it would only matter in the court of public opinion. People are still pissed about the election and impeachment is their last hope. I don't see it happening, the evidence doesn't exist.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: yuppa

One could make the argument that because they are traveling to the United States they would soon be within the boundaries of those protections.

You make a fair point, though.

It's reasonable to point out that at the highest levels of the US legal system this very same debate has been taking place for months, now. With the same cases being cited and the same questions being raised regarding to persons traveling to the US.

IF they could claim that then the Airliners would need to be deemed US soil,but they are not currently. No we just need a jerk to pass a law to make it so foreigners have to be screened before a flight to the US.

And then it's a short jump to make every human on the planet a US citizen if they have the "intent" to come to the USA someday.

Might as well.

Even the cuban "dry foot, wet foot" is gonna be repealed.

That being said most Republicans (constituents and officials alike) have chosen to ignore that multiple intelligence agencies have already confirmed members of Trump's campaign having direct communications with Russian intelligence officials.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

Everyone that doesn't like Trump is partisan.

Gee, ya think?!

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Kali74
Is no one else curious why it took 18 days from the time the administration was informed that Flynn was compromised and his firing?

obama was aware of all kinds of stuff about Flynn and even re upped his security clearance despite what they knew in 2015.

So what's the problem? Because Trump?

Ok, so what's the penalty for this russian connection thing?

What are the dems looking for?

As Spicer said, clearance lasts years. Obama warned Trump about Flynn.

Yeah but obama did nothing, right?

Now it's a big deal, right?

So it's obviously Trumps fault for not vetting him, right?

a reply to: Kali74

Nonsense. I think you will find that once the EO reaches the supreme court, sanity will prevail. The EO was already reviewed by the Justice Sept and found to be legal. Indeed other judges have also found it to be legal.
Yates, by her own admission, made a decision based on campaign language a full year before the EO was drafted.
Quite simply a partisan unable to do her job.