31 seconds of the healthcare vote that shows why people hate politics

a reply to: xuenchen

Typically speaking, it involves screwing over the poor suckers that voted for them while giving money back to rich people.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Don't feel badly, it's incomprehensible.

Here's the first thing you need to know: None of this has anything to do with medical treatment and everything to do with health insurance. Which is very much, a profit driven enterprise. Big, big money at stake. CEOs of the top insurers are compensated at rates of $100M annually. They keep those jobs and those salaries and bonuses by keeping the stock price high. And they keep the stock price high by taking in big premium payments while paying out minimal benefits. That's Wall Street. It matters what your profit and loss looks like quarterly, and no one cares how they get there. It's either up or it's down quarter to quarter. Down is bad.

A lot of us are slowly coming to the conclusion that it makes no sense for any part of health care to be a profit-driven enterprise, but unless/until we get to single payer, government controlled healthcare (which scares me for other reasons), that's what it is.

We're beyond paying for a checkup with a basket of eggs. You can't walk in to a doctor's office without an appointment and a good $100 to hand over.

The whole thing's preposterous. There is no 'health insurance'. There's what I call a discount card, where they pay for part and you pick up the rest, with no way of knowing what it will end up costing, or which provider charges what.

It's one big fat sloppy mess and anyone looking at any of those partisan hack halfwits in DC to do anything to straighten it out are delusional, and probably ought to check to see if that's covered.

a reply to: neo96

I tell you Democrats in congress has become the biggest embarrassment to Americas politics this days.

They are soo out of touch with reality that they think if the wish enough they will get more chair in congress in mid term elections.

Without doing a darn thing to explain why they have become and embarrassment after Hillary lost.

A shame, a big darn shame.

a reply to: yeahright

ok...thanks for the info

So...am I mistaken to think you're not too crazy about Obamacare ?

Was there a time in American history when healthcare didnt suck...and if there was...why not use that model..? Providing it's applicable today.

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COme to think of it...you guys could go full on socialist...that'll fix 'er up

a reply to: marg6043

I'm no democrat, but it seems to be that the biggest embarrassment to this country, bar none, sits in the oval-a-lago.
And talk about out of touch with reality: he sees things that aren' t there; he talks about things that didn't happen; he denies things that did happen. If you or I do that, people call us CRAZY. At least there are some members of his party with enough honesty and integrity to distance themselves and call him out on the BS.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Obamacare is and has been since inception, unsustainable. For the most part, I think our health care is pretty good. It's paying for it that's the issue. There are other factors pushing that as well, like the practice of 'defensive medicine' where tests and procedures are done to minimize the likelihood of a lawsuit. The cost of malpractice insurance for the providers has a significant upward pressure on the cost of health care. Tort reform would help that, but the lawyers will fight that tooth and nail, and guess what virtually every member of Congress is - a lawyer.

There is no simple answer, unless overnight we can have a world where everyone is honest, and not above all else looking to cash in. Like that'll happen.

Yes, i saw the childish behaviour by democrats. I was not surprised.

Republicans were going to be voted out if they didn't repeal Obamacare.

Even as it is Republicans currently in office aren't doing enough and should be worried come election time that another Republican challenger will knock them out.

a reply to: queenofswords

Repealing the Heritage Foundations Republican Romney/Obamacare was a good thing....nothing but a giveaway to the insurance industry....failing to replace with a socialist system like Universal or single payer will only allow ythe slackers and layabouts to get FREE HEALTHCARE at every emergency room in the nation. They get it FREE while you and I then pay for it on their behalf.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

I can count maybe 2 incumbents who should keep their jobs in our legislative arm. Even them, i wouldn't mind seeing removed just to make sure the whole tumor was gotten.

But you nor I has the mental capacity to take care of the problems these cream of the crop intellectuals face. They didn't even need to read a several-thousand page bill before making it law theyre so smart and dont EVEN tell me Guam would not have been wiped off the map if you were in charge. I hear from the government it almost capsized and that's cuz its the government. They know. And you know what they say has merit. You'd trust a fake site over them?!

I mean there's even rumors of Chelsea Clinton going to congress now. And she is backed by such an incredible accolade of awards for her selfless and what I can only imagine must be back breaking work to help her countrymen. With such dedication just pouring from Cap Hill I can only assume ive stumbled into a room of aluminum foil capped nuts.

PS- sometimes I forget its new generation ATS so id better slap on the metaphorical training wheels and say I hope the sarcasm was obvious.

a reply to: neo96

They believe that they can continue pushing lies on the American people. They say, "Obamacare is great, it has helped over 20 million people that were previously uninsured." This is one of their main arguments. The thing that they do not understand, is that the majority of those 20 million people never wanted this garbage. I am self employed, and am now FORCED to purchase over priced insurance with massive deductibles.

I didn't have insurance before, and I still don't.

You can only keep lying to people for so long before they start catching on. The majority of the people that support this crap already had medicaid to begin with. They are told the ACA helped them, when in reality, nothing changed.

The other group of people that support the ACA are people blinded by partisan politics. Anything Lord Obama did or said was supported and pushed no matter what.

The bottom line: the ACA is destroying the middle class in the USA. People cannot afford this nonsense. The majority of people with insurance don't even have insurance, they have a payment. If something happens, the deductibles are so insanely high that they will be screwed either way.

It is Why health care needs out of politics.Also becoming clear how selfish people are becoming with this issue.
They either want everything for themselves or demand something be passed.Also appears to be making people unhappy with politics and way to self absorbed as if Obamacare or any health care can save people's lives.
Then they argue over if only my son/daughter had more healthcare they could not have possibly have died.
Selfishness at its worst from both parties.

So much hypocrisy increasing dramatically in politics.Massive propaganda much like WW2.