State Blocks Public Review of Oroville Dam Crisis

so jerry browns administration has blocked a public review of the oroville dam crisis. we all know their lack of responsible behavior is what led to this disaster and it could have been easily prevented. they are using federal regulations put into place for preventing terrorism to keep it private which is ridiculous in this case. i urge anyone in california to raise a storm with their local reps over this and also the new gas tax they are pushing on us even though we voted no in november for a new gas tax. which kinda correlates considering the money from previous gas taxes always gets appropriated to use on whatever pet project they like, which id imagine is what happened to some of that federal money for the dam.
Sac Bee

This is not a surprise....I posted when this was all going down that I know people in the area who work closely with Emergency Management and they said this has been an ongoing issue that has been covered up and kicked down the street for years.

Jerry Brown is a joke period. He's running this state into the ground.

Never have I once heard someone say "Geee, That Jerry Brown, he's such a great guy."

Just like any other socialist dictatorship...

California uber alles!

As I get so much schadenfreude from the suffering of all things California I applaud his move and hope similar mistakes are made again early and often.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance



California is not even close to a Socialist "Dictatorship"

Jerry Brown (and the rest of the California Government) are the same typical Neoliberal, Statist, Capitalist, Corporatist. essentially worthless

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Deny Arrogance

California is not even close to a Socialist "Dictatorship"

Jerry Brown (and the rest of the California Government) are the same typical Neoliberal, Statist, Capitalist, Corporatist. essentially worthless

Lol. Dude nobody cares about your political definitions. A turd is a turd.

a reply to: GoldenMan

I'm just pointing out the fact that everyone thinks California is this "Socialist Utopia" when it's far from that, the "Liberal Facade" may be strong but the reality is nothing close

a reply to: TheScale

just hush.

The state knows better than you do.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: GoldenMan

I'm just pointing out the fact that everyone thinks California is this "Socialist Utopia" when it's far from that, the "Liberal Facade" may be strong but the reality is nothing close

And I am just pointing out that nobody cares about your political governance definitions but it's a hilariously antifa twerp thing to do.

a reply to: GoldenMan

Ahhh, i see where you are coming from now, ok

I think that most of us who followed the Oroville Dam Disaster knew about the past,

and were expecting to hear more about this mess in the future.

Cali's got some messed up stuff going on.

Money, money.

They're covering up because they built it incorrectly. Here's a link that has info and also vids that have been hidden on YT.

flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com...

originally posted by: StoutBroux
They're covering up because they built it incorrectly. Here's a link that has info and also vids that have been hidden on YT.

flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com...

A little "armchair architecture" there for certain.

The dam was designed and built back in the 60's using the best technology available

At That Time.

Perhaps you don't remember that when this dam was designed they used slide rules to calculate the engineering.

Do you know how to use a slide rule?

Do you even know what a slide rule is?

That dam has worked, trouble-free for decades.

And granted, it is very hard to convince anyone to spend tax money to essentially re-build something that not only is(was) working just fine, but had been working just fine for decades.

Ok, so now we have better science and better technology, and now we can see that what we thought was good and strong enough, in the past, really wasn't.

50 years from now I'm sure our descendents wil be able to pick apart our mistakes, too.

As to Jerry Brown...

The last time a major over-haul of the dam was recommended, Arnold Schwartzenagger was the Governor, and the plan was vetoed.

"Wasteful government spending on a project that didn't need to be addressed because the dam was working".

And once the political precedent is set, it just gets harder and harder to buck...

Until disaster strikes and every starts pointing fingers.

Flag for your thread. Yes they covered it up and as a CA native I'm not surprised. Good point about the dams engineering and needing an upgrade and had this been a Mega Storm year it would have failed. I moved to Austin TX in November 2014 and I now have a nice house I couldn't have afforded in CA and pay far less for gasoline. We have our problems here but not as bad as there. Enjoy Brown and go down the tubes. My best,

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: GoldenMan

I'm just pointing out the fact that everyone thinks California is this "Socialist Utopia" when it's far from that, the "Liberal Facade" may be strong but the reality is nothing close

Agreed, I should Know, lived here all my life.

a reply to: TheScale

This near disaster sprang form the lack of maintenance, I mean money, because of misappropriations. They hide the truth because they aways do that. Not just in Ca, either.

They will do what they minimally have to , charge the people more tax, celebrate victory over nature, and then go about mismanaging the money even more.

just to point out - the dam and the spillway are entirely seperate structures

yes - they are linked by PURPOSE and interdependant

but the engineering of each - is entirely independant - and they are seperated by impermeable solid geology

lastly - the dam is working fine - and has no known critical flaws

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
just to point out - the dam and the spillway are entirely seperate structures

yes - they are linked by PURPOSE and interdependant

but the engineering of each - is entirely independant - and they are seperated by impermeable solid geology

lastly - the dam is working fine - and has no known critical flaws

just as long as u dont have to use that emergency spillway again. it couldnt even handle less then 10% of its designed flow rate. which kinda cracked me up cause the day before the evacuations they were showing that spillway on the news and i even mentioned to my friend, "how do they expect that to work with just dirt at its base?" well it didnt work. its in much better shape now that theyve spent millions on it trying to shore it back up with shotcrete and boulders

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

The dam was designed and built back in the 60's using the best technology available

At That Time.

Perhaps you don't remember that when this dam was designed they used slide rules to calculate the engineering.

Do you know how to use a slide rule?

Do you even know what a slide rule is?

That dam has worked, trouble-free for decades.

And granted, it is very hard to convince anyone to spend tax money to essentially re-build something that not only is(was) working just fine, but had been working just fine for decades.

The first part of your reply is quite condescending.

Yes, dams are static buildings; but nothing around them is whatsoever. Water levels, acidity, earthquakes, changes in run-off patterns, silt build-up, temperature fluctuations, ice etc. etc. etc.

"It's holding water!...doing its' job!".."move on nothing here folks..."

That mentality does not work.

Money, resources, lack of inspection and repair are why damns fail.

CA does not want the public to know its' government's money trail around the dam.

mg