Man Violently Dragged Off Plane After United Airlines Overbooks Flight

originally posted by: olaru12
And you should know that the courts invariably favor the LE over complaints by citizens.

Even the DA and attorneys are afraid of law enforcement.

Until the man started resisting the officers it wasn't a case about LE vs a citizen. It was a case of United Airlines vs a customer. That is what the case will come back to too. Does United have the right the forcefully bump people from the planes like that? He did nothing that would trigger a clause with a right to refuse service and he wasn't volunteering to leave. He has a pretty good case even after you exclude all of the LE stuff.

a reply to: Edumakated

Again, not justifying United or security. However, the situation could have been avoided.

Sure, by United not overbooking.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: subfab

You gonna address the time and money issue? Takes both to fight # out in court. A doc can afford a lawyer but I wouldn't be able to lawyer up and I damn well shouldn't have to.

It takes neither with the right case. This man has that case. He can hire a lawyer to represent him in court, he'll never have to show up. He can also pay on a contingency basis, any time you've got a winning case a lawyer will be happy to do that. They'll only demand payment up front if they know they're likely to lose.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Edumakated

Again, not justifying United or security. However, the situation could have been avoided.

Sure, by United not overbooking.

One has nothing to do with the other. I agree that the practice of overbooking is BS, but that still does not change the fact that he was asked to get off the plane.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Following your view black people would be riding back of the bus and giving up seats to whites.

You missed my point of view entirely.

Sorry if I did. My opinion don't go easy and if no one does they will eventually have to stop penny pinching and stop overbooking. We are not treated with respect anymore by banks by airlines by anyone because now everyone just acts like they all have rights and we don't. People have been fluoridated enough now I guess, this would never have happened when I was young the whole plane full of people would have been on their feet walking out with him.

I see, thanks for clarifying, totally agree with that.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: olaru12
And you should know that the courts invariably favor the LE over complaints by citizens.

Even the DA and attorneys are afraid of law enforcement.

Until the man started resisting the officers it wasn't a case about LE vs a citizen. It was a case of United Airlines vs a customer. That is what the case will come back to too. Does United have the right the forcefully bump people from the planes like that? He did nothing that would trigger a clause with a right to refuse service and he wasn't volunteering to leave. He has a pretty good case even after you exclude all of the LE stuff.

Actually no. the video shows he didnt do anything until the policemen grabbed him which by law is self defense. The officers will be lucky to still have a job after this if the man gets a proper lawyer.

Well i for one think that doctor should be very happy now. Not only is the airline going to be in for enough money to pay off any remaining student loans this guy might have but also give him enough money to open his own practice. In addition this guy will have an awesome story to share with friends of how he became the drag king of UA. All it cost was some yelling, bump on a head and a nap behind bars.

originally posted by: yuppa
Actually no. the video shows he didnt do anything until the policemen grabbed him which by law is self defense. The officers will be lucky to still have a job after this if the man gets a proper lawyer.

Being uncooperative is a reason to escalate force.

This is how they ask for volunteers ?

Wow...

a reply to: Edumakated

Youre right it could have and should have been avoided. United was in violation of their own CoC contract with the victim. For involuntary denied bording which they screwed up legaly too. You cant involuntarily deny bording and refusal of transport for the reasons they stated once the passanger has borded and taken his seat. You cant call police or security for that reason alone. They broke their own rules. A legally binding contract and managed to violate a persons civil rights and got a guy assaulted by incompetent security operating under fraudulent information that they were provided by united.

A good place for united to start at where they went wrong would be their own legally binding contract they have with the victim i mean passenger. Rule 25, Part A Section 4a - $1350 for delays over 2 hours. They broke their own rules and contract by offering 400 and then only 800. United is dirty in this instance and screwed up. They need to pay for all damages punitively including emotional damages.

UA pays the tab for employees and family members when they fly...

UA should have booked flights for it's employees on another airline provider. You made the mistake, you make the correction.

Serving customers is a serious matter.

note to self; never fly again, and especially not ever with UA.

#sand

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: intrptr

That the police let themselves become the 'muscle' for United's commercial interests should trouble everyone.

Corpotocracy, just like the armed forces have become the world wide enforcement branch for the Oligarchs.

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
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a reply to: loveguy

I think a lot of folks are thinking never fly with united again at this point.

I hope their dirty greed and douchebaggery hits united hard in the pocket book. Its unlikely but i hope it does.

I personally dont want my civil right violated cause an airline wants to maximize profits at the cost of your physical well being and safety while being bullies and misinforming security causing the security to act illegally..

If united is being cheap bastards and violating their own rules to save a buck so they can take that dollar and line their pockets with it. Imagine what corners theyre cutting with the food they serve or the mechanical work they do on their aircraft.

originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I really hope theres a significant boycott.

Wouldnt mind seeing some jail time for those "security" fellas either.

...There won't be a boycott. People talk a good game, but all the sheeple are greedy and will right back on United and any other airline trying to save $20 on their airfare...

Exactly. A plane full of people watched a fellow passenger get assaulted and dragged off the plane and did nothing to intervene on his behalf. "I care, but not enough to maybe get kicked off the plane myself."

And none voluntarily said, "Wait a minute, I'll voluntary give up my seat." People would rather say "OMG," film it, and then upload the video so that they're hopefully in the spotlight.

As others have mentioned, many people have been conditioned to cower before authority. And the authorities know it, which is a reason why so many seem to lose control when someone stands up for his or her rights and doesn't "Obey."

That said, I heard that the at least one officer was suspended.

ETA:

The officer who removed a man from his seat and dragged him off a United Airlines flight that had been overbooked has been suspended, Chicago officials said.

The officer, who was not identified, was placed on leave Monday, "pending a thorough review of the situation,” city Aviation Department spokeswoman Karen Pride wrote in an emailed statement.

“The incident on United flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned by the Department,” Pride said.

Link

Usually Dr.'s are a good thing to have on board a flight.
He must have been just a podiatrist, can use his own two feet?

stale attempt to sound funny, sorry.

a reply to: Aazadan
Well that's the difference between you,and Me..I.E I stand up for My rights,and freedom,and you would polish jackboots with your tongue..

originally posted by: SirHardHarry

originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I really hope theres a significant boycott.

Wouldnt mind seeing some jail time for those "security" fellas either.

...There won't be a boycott. People talk a good game, but all the sheeple are greedy and will right back on United and any other airline trying to save $20 on their airfare...

Exactly. A plane full of people watched a fellow passenger get assaulted and dragged off the plane and did nothing to intervene on his behalf. "I care, but not enough to maybe get kicked off the plane myself."

And none voluntarily said, "Wait a minute, I'll voluntary give up my seat." People would rather say "OMG," film it, and then upload the video so that they're hopefully in the spotlight.

As others have mentioned, many people have been conditioned to cower before authority. And the authorities know it, which is a reason why so many seem to lose control when someone stands up for his or her rights and doesn't "Obey."

That said, I heard that the at least one officer was suspended.

That's like volunteering to let tsa molest you all over again...long lines...time to be someplace else?

Cops are just following policy; chase and tazer if they run. If they don't run, make them get on the ground and submit anyway, even if they are submitting to "authority."

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Edumakated

Youre right it could have and should have been avoided. United was in violation of their own CoC contract with the victim. For involuntary denied bording which they screwed up legaly too. You cant involuntarily deny bording and refusal of transport for the reasons they stated once the passanger has borded and taken his seat. You cant call police or security for that reason alone. They broke their own rules. A legally binding contract and managed to violate a persons civil rights and got a guy assaulted by incompetent security operating under fraudulent information that they were provided by united.

A good place for united to start at where they went wrong would be their own legally binding contract they have with the victim i mean passenger. Rule 25, Part A Section 4a - $1350 for delays over 2 hours. They broke their own rules and contract by offering 400 and then only 800. United is dirty in this instance and screwed up. They need to pay for all damages punitively including emotional damages.

The issue is that there is a time and place to argue that... in this case, it would have been after he got off the plane. Look, from the beginning of the thread, I have said United was in the wrong in how this was handled. However, the bottom line is that had the good Doctor just got up as requested, he wouldn't have been forcibly removed.

originally posted by: greydaze
Well that's the difference between you,and Me..I.E I stand up for My rights,and freedom,and you would polish jackboots with your tongue..

And what do you think is going to be more effective? Physically confronting the police, or taking your case to court, hearing it out, and then petitioning city hall to improve their policies?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
Actually no. the video shows he didnt do anything until the policemen grabbed him which by law is self defense. The officers will be lucky to still have a job after this if the man gets a proper lawyer.

Being uncooperative is a reason to escalate force.

So is assault by a officer grabbing you. You can be detained for suspicion of a crime. this guy didnt commit a crime.

police forcefully removed passenger

Tha man was back on 2 hours later with a bloody face and was traumitized saying i have to get home repeatedly. SO to try and mitigate their losses UA let him back on the flight. SO the man didnt spend any time in jail.
Its the same thing casinos do. they rough you up if you win too much.