Meanwhile in Europe...

Trump's tweets are fun mind fodder for the masses, but this is an interesting read for people paying attention...
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Basically, the Germans and Dutch are claiming that Erdogan wants to campaign through Europe telling the Turks of Europe that an Erdogan dictatorship over Turkey is a good thing. So starting with Germany, and now in Holland, they are refusing to allow his Turkish surrogates to do that on European soil at Turkish campaign events. Now, you may wonder why Turkish representatives are campaigning in places like Holland and Germany. The reason is because there are many Turkish citizens, that can vote in Turkish elections, living in Europe.

On the surface, that does not seem to be a big deal to us in the Americas - and even most Europeans. Why should Europe care so much about Turkish politics, even if Erdogan is trying to launch a dictatorship over Turkey? To answer that you need to understand some demographics there.

Take for instance the "immigrant" (in quotes because most of these immigrants are still solely Turkish citizens) demographics of Hamburg. Nearly 25% of all immigrants in Hamburg hold Turkish citizenship; and are the largest immigrant population of Hamburg. But that should not be surprising, as Turkish immigrants are the #1 "not natively born" population in Germany. In 2014, there were 1,527,118 Turkish citizens in Germany alone; and three years later that number is surely significantly higher.

In 2009 there were 378,330 Turks in the Netherlands.

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Point is, there's a lot of Turks in Holland and Germany - and the politicians in Holland and Germany are finally starting to realize (or maybe they've known all along but now the Fabian hammer is ready to strike hot iron) what Erdogan is doing. The political powers in Europe do not fear that Erdogan is campaigning for his dictatorship over Turkey, they fear he's holding pep rallies for the Turkish populations in Germany and the Netherlands to support him when the day comes that he decides to take swaths of Europe. That is what this is about. That is why President Clinton recently warned that nationalism is about to push humanity over the brink, not because of Trump, but because of what's happening, specifically, in Germany and Holland and their Turkish populations, and THAT it is why Germany and Holland are kicking Erdogan surrogates out of their countries. Interestingly, it is also why Erdogan is responding by openly calling the political powers in the Europe Union National Socialists (Nazi's), he's trying to to turn Turks in Europe against Europe. By brazenly declaring Europe as a bunch of Nazi's, Erdogan is using this turn of events, of his surrogates being barred from Germany and the Netherlands, to accomplish what he wanted - to rally Turks living in Germany and the Netherlands against Germany and the Netherlands. And it's working:

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The current immigration warfare didn't start when Obama, Merkel, or Turnball decided to let Syrian immigrants into the country. It started in the 1960's when places like Germany thought it a good idea to bring in fresh minds to rebuild war torn and already divided Germany. New minds, it was thought, would help mend the entrenched collective mind to move past the public psyche that stirred millions of Germans to kill millions of people. It was a great idea on paper. But that great idea is now being weaponized against them; or maybe even more likely, at the end of it all, against all of us who believe in sovereign nation states without a governing body above it for which it must seek constant permission.

While it's disconcerting, it would be folly of the people to think the political brass of Germany, the US, or even Turkey or any other country for that matter, do not welcome the coming war and are actively spurring it's arrival. Globalists know that global governance won't happen without a massive war; which could be why they've been playing along all these decades.The more integrated we all are around the world, the more support there will be in a global governing body when the time comes that people plead for the war and the dying to stop. Also, Americans should not be so naive to think that Trump's motives are not inline through and through with the globalist agenda; I would strongly advise that the jury on Trump still hold itself in deliberation.

Prost!

The funny thing is, everytime time both political opponents, Erdolf and Germany or Erdolf and the Netherlands, profit from the situation.

It is even simple to explain. There are elections everywhere in Europe this year, in the Netherlands they start in what, three days i believe.
So now the german/netherlands puppets...politicians can show that one doesn´t have to vote for righwingers like the AfD in Germany or Wilders in the Netherlands, to show Erdolf what he is, a little nothing. Days before he started to call the germans Nazis, he begged in Germany for money, because the setting up of his Sultanat crashed the economy of whole Turkey. They run out of money. Maybe those that produce turkish flags have a secure job for the next months. But then even his most loyal followers will realize that flag swinging and Allahu Akbar chanting, showing the fou r fingers of the muslim brotherhood

is not enough to live a life.

I mean, even the most loyal of Erdolfs supporters will have to realize that you can´t do the exact same things as Adolf Hitler did before 1933, including "Reichstagsbrand", called "coup" in Turkey, and call the Rest of Europe Nazis, how ridiculous is that? Switching off all political opponents, all intellectuals, journalists, even teachers etc, by putting them into jail after creating an alleged military "coup", who, dear Erdolf, did this first and then got his dirty Nazi a$$ kicked for it? Erdolfs problem is, Turkey 2017 is by far not as efficient as Germany was in 1933!

My grandmother was of turkish origin, i grew up in germany with a lot of turkish and kurdish friends, which never ever had a problem with each other, in germany. Some of my best friends are turkish, and we all don´t know just one that would raise turkish flags for that wannabe dictator/sultan Erdolf. Those of turkish origin that grew up here in Germany, in liberal Germany, and now support Erdolf´s dictatorship, should live in that dictatorship. And not in that "Nazi infested nations" like Germany and the Netherlands. And i bet those Almancis(germans of turkish origin, turkish people don´t see them as german or turkish, but as a dirty mix of both) would be the first that would end up in turkish jails, because they just know the liberal german freedom.

The chickens that live in free-range husbandry in germany support cage-rearing for their people in Turkey, knowing that they never have to live in that cage-rearing, how ill is that!!! Living in liberal freedom and creating a dictatorship for their fellow countrymen, i mean... ILL!

That´s when you make little men to bouncers of the EU, to get rid of the refugees that all stay in turkey now, till Erdolf will open the borders for them, to flood western europe. It´s more than 3 millions of them right now in turkey, and that´s his only ace up his sleeve. That´s when you act as the refugee loving Germany but doing the same things that, for example, Trump maybe will do, building borders/walls to get rid of people that need help, but acting as a good samaritian at the same time. Merkels real plans in 2015 were to close the borders, even borderguards were brought to the german borders, by busses and even helicopters. But somehow then she realized that it might be good to act as a samaritian for a while. And people still think that we opened the borders for refugees because Merkel is such a nice person, ridiculous!

At the end, Erdolf is just a little wannabe Adolf, without the abilities of that austrian moustache.
Another running gag on the world stage, as they come out nowawdays like rats of their holes in sinking ships.

a reply to: GenerationGap

You are making a bull out of a fly.

German or Dutch Turks likely to cause danger for Germany or Netherlands? In what dimension do you live?

The real threat to European countries is the specter of a dictatorship looming over a country next door to Europe.

Many are talking of a fifth column when it comes to people of turkish origin living in germany.
And a bunch of them could really create little riots, some of those "Anatols" are "Grey Wolves", "Graue Wölfe", turkish Nazis.

But i also think that not even the police would have to stop those riots, the german sane and educated citizens(of every origin!) would solve that problem and kick some asses. I believe some germans wait since years just for a reason. And it´s 80 millions vs some hundreds of thousands of uneducated "Anatols" with their turkish flags, not that good chances to survive such riots unharmed in germany, for the Erdolf supporters.

If they would create riots here, we should send every single rioter of turkish origin to their beloved Sultanat, inmediately!

There is a big friendship between "bio-germans"and germans of turkish origin, because we all are germans. And what grew for decades can´t be destroyed by some radical Erdolf supporters!

a reply to: surnamename57

No, he's not. If you are familiar with Turks at all you would know this is a serious thing.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: surnamename57

If you are familiar with Turks at all you would know this is a serious thing.

If you are familiar with Germans you will understand this is not a serious thing to them.

a reply to: surnamename57

It should be.

a reply to: GenerationGap

So starting with Germany, and now in Holland, they are refusing to allow his Turkish surrogates to do that on European soil at Turkish campaign events. Now, you may wonder why Turkish representatives are campaigning in places like Holland and Germany. The reason is because there are many Turkish citizens, that can vote in Turkish elections, living in Europe.

I heard it all boiled down to whether Turkey ( a member of NATO but denied membership status in the European Union) is tired of fighting alone on the front lines in the faked 'War on Terror', and especially tired of absorbing all the refugees from Syria.

Diplomats were barred from the Netherlands, Erdogan accused them of being Islamaphobes and outright Fascists something which Merkel told him to 'tone down.

Yes Turkey. don't you know you're a slave to the west? Go back to fighting and dying for US, EU and like it.

a reply to: intrptr

You should look a lil more into it. Next time try doing so without bias.

originally posted by: intrptr
I heard it all boiled down to whether Turkey ( a member of NATO but denied membership status in the European Union) is tired of fighting alone on the front lines in the faked 'War on Terror', and especially tired of absorbing all the refugees from Syria.

Turkey is not "denied (EU) membership. You are factually incorrect.

Turkey made an application to join the EU back in1987. They have made significant progress in alignment to the strictures of membership, but have never really "got there". Erdogan's march towards totalitarianism and worsening human rights led to the accession process being suspended in 2016.

To note that the reason why so may Turks live in the EU, is that visa liberalisation was a part of part of Turkey's accession process.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: intrptr

You should look a lil more into it. Next time try doing so without bias.

The Western Bias is towards Islam. Scapegoating Muslims.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: intrptr
I heard it all boiled down to whether Turkey ( a member of NATO but denied membership status in the European Union) is tired of fighting alone on the front lines in the faked 'War on Terror', and especially tired of absorbing all the refugees from Syria.

Turkey is not "denied (EU) membership. You are factually incorrect.

Turkey made an application to join the EU back in1987. They have made significant progress in alignment to the strictures of membership, but have never really "got there". Erdogan's march towards totalitarianism and worsening human rights led to the accession process being suspended in 2016.

To note that the reason why so may Turks live in the EU, is that visa liberalization was a part of part of Turkey's accession process.

Then why block the Turkish diplomats from landing at an international airport? Are they Muslim terrorists? Thats why Erdogan called them Fascists, Islamaphoes and xenophobes.

Since 1987? Alignment to "strictures"? Yea, they're Muslim. Just admit it already.

Turks will always be allowed to do Europes dirty work. But as we see, rubber meets the road on actually belonging to the big happy eurounion.

The real crux here is the lack of a backbone in politics.
If the double passport would have been dealt with as desired by so many, (namely choose one and drop the other) then this would not have been an issue.
It is beyond me that this hasn't happened yet because with double pasports, foreigners decide on domestic policies of a country in which they do not live.

a reply to: intrptr

Because of the threats, The Netherlands won't be blackmailed.
We were allowing the turkish minister to address the turks in Rotterdam, however, the threats and the intention to conduct a massive manifestation for which all turks were told to take part in, this led to the retraction of the landing rights of the turkish government plane.
Public order and safety are the first priority.
The other minister should not have come, certainly not in different colones, it was simply provocative.
Above all, mind you that it is against turkey electoral law to campaign in foreign countries.

a reply to: earthling42

Yah, Europe wants Turkey to absorb all the refugees, generally.

No discussion. Of course they need to blame it on something else...

a reply to: intrptr

Why do you think there has been an agreement with the EU? to please the EU? of course not!
The massive influx went to Turkey because there was a route through Turkey to Europe.
In a joint agreement and coöperation this route has been closed and hence, the massive influx into Turkey has dried up.

originally posted by: intrptr
Then why block the Turkish diplomats from landing at an international airport? Are they Muslim terrorists? Thats why Erdogan called them Fascists, Islamaphoes and xenophobes.

Erdogan is pandering to a domestic audience and stoking nationalism. He's also alienating countries who are (were) supportive of Turkey before it started to go down the authoritarian ego trip.

As to why the Netherlands has stopped Turkish ministers running rallies has been widely reported and explained. Basically, the Dutch have a forth coming General Election and they fear the rallies will stoke tensions. Given that Erdogan has reacted with such a vulgar and insulting language proves the point the Dutch were trying to make.

a reply to: earthling42

In a joint agreement and coöperation this route has been closed and hence, the massive influx into Turkey has dried up.

Yah, thats the whole problem, the refugees are dried up because Turkey is keeping them. Pretty sure that was part of that other one sided agreement to be let in the EU.The EU wants Turkey to war with Syria, but not help them with resultant stream of refugees.

Its a one sided 'agreement'. Sort of like the one sided 'arrangement' that Turkey be NATO's dog, but not be allowed in the EU. Not even to land in the EU, apparently.

lol

(theres only one way to keep saying that, said it, done and gone.)

originally posted by: earthling42
The real crux here is the lack of a backbone in politics.

It's a Western Europe doublethink in the recent past which has produced in the present day a situation in which a difficult choice has to be made between the two alternatives.

a reply to: surnamename57

I don't know if doublethink is the right word to qualify it, European politicians simply chase an enlightened ideal which is quite harmful since it requires the understanding of the people, also of course the freedom of religious-nationalistic-sectarian chains.
This must grow and cannot be laid up on people through policies.