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originally posted by: DupontDeux
A somewhat typical example of a transgender is born-girl saying that she feels like a boy and not a girl. That intails two claims:
Claim A) ...
Claim B)...
If you insist that you are not confusing it with gender roles and that you in a total collapse of reasoning and logic "just know", then you are bordering on showing the same detachment from reality that schizophrenics can show - they "just now" a satellite is watching them, they "just now"they have alien DNA.
homosexualism
originally posted by: Anathros
Edit: This is a sarcastic post to add levity to the conversation. I mean no disrespect the OP as I know they have had a life full of hurdles regarding the subject matter.
originally posted by: Kettu
I don't ask myself if I "feel" like a man, or think like man. Why? Because those things are inherently true, and I know they are.
All it takes is a little bit of emotional intelligence and empathy to try and visualize the world transgender[ed] individuals exist in. If even a small portion of what I imagine their lives must be like, the world is a scary place -- especially considering the attitude most have for transgender[ed] individuals.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: DupontDeux
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Anathros
I have an older gay brother and for the life of me, after 25 years of him being "out of the closet" I still believe it is a mental disorder. I think the transgender issue is too. No different than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. I do not think male brains end up in female bodies or vice versa but that's just my opinion.
WHY?
Why do you think that?
A somewhat typical example of a transgender is born-girl saying that she feels like a boy and not a girl. That intails two claims:
Claim A)
"I do not feel like a girl."
Well how do you know? If you do not feel like a girl you lack that reference point, and thus you cannot tell, that you do not feel like a girl. If you base your believe on external experiences like typical behavioral patterns of other girls, well, then odds are that you are confusing gender with traditional gender roles.
Claim B)
"I feel like a boy"
Well how do you know? If you are not a boy you lack that reference point, and thus you cannot tell, that you do feel like a boy. If you base your believe on external experiences like typical behavioral patterns of boys, well, then odds are that you are confusing gender with traditional gender roles.
If you insist that you are not confusing it with gender roles and that you in a total collapse of reasoning and logic "just know", then you are bordering on showing the same detachment from reality that schizophrenics can show - they "just now" a satellite is watching them, they "just now"they have alien DNA.
But that is the transgender thing - I do not agree about homosexualism being a mental disorder. There is no evidence for that. There is no collapse of logic and reasoning. There is simply an attraction to members of one own sex.
It is not that I can't follow the logic, though, of those that reasons that it is a deviation that limits procreation and that it must be a disorder since attraction is not a choice, and since the species relies on attraction to 'right' sex for its survival - but who is to say homosexualism is not simply nature's way of limiting the population for the greater good of the species? And if it is, then homesexualism is a mechanism, an important one even, and not a disorder.
Guess what --- I believe those who actually experienced Gender Dysphoria.
That includes parents, as well as child/adolescent/teen/adult actually experiencing Gender Dysphoria.
Not ignorant armchair opinions --- that create a belief they feel comfortable accepting.
Going to wrestle with semantics are we? Aspects of gender expression/performance and societal expectations of gender roles are to a degree social constructs but a person's in-born disposition and one's internalized sense of what gender they are aren't. You've been listening to too much feminist claptrap with all this social construct business!
originally posted by: DupontDeux
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder under DSM-5, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition.
Its symptoms in many ways is reminiscent of schizophrenia.
I know transgenders who have no problem accepting that what and how they feel defies logic and reason
Actually, if you reread my post you might notice that is not about homesoexuals [sic] or transgenders [sic] are sufering [sic] from mental disorders, but about why some might perceive them to be.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is returning a transgender teen's case to a lower court without reaching a decision.
The justices said Monday they have opted not to decide whether federal anti-discrimination law gives high school senior Gavin Grimm the right to use the boys' bathroom in his Virginia school.
The case had been scheduled for argument in late March. Instead, a lower court in Virginia will be tasked with evaluating the federal law known as title IX and the extent to which it applies to transgender students.
originally posted by: Freija
That's okay folks. We don't matter but from now on, I'm advising trans kids to just piss on the sidewalk. It certainly won't make people think any less of us.
Needless to say I am effing pissed off. Thanks Trump.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Our job (those of us who want equal treatment for all) is to not give up. We keep up the educating, we keep up the protesting, we keep up the pressure on states and businesses that discriminate, we keep up the lawsuits. We've seen with marriage equality that these strategies DO work - they just take some time.
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: Anathros
I have an older gay brother and for the life of me, after 25 years of him being "out of the closet" I still believe it is a mental disorder. I think the transgender issue is too. No different than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. I do not think male brains end up in female bodies or vice versa but that's just my opinion.
I'm going to guess you don't believe in a lot of things that an overwhelming consensus of doctors/scientists agree on. Like global warming, vaccines, etc.
a you may want to brush up on that non-degree. And FYI, the sky isn't always blue
originally posted by: Anathros
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Anathros
I have an older gay brother and for the life of me, after 25 years of him being "out of the closet" I still believe it is a mental disorder. I think the transgender issue is too. No different than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. I do not think male brains end up in female bodies or vice versa but that's just my opinion.
WHY?
Why do you think that?
It is what I believe. I don't have a doctorate but I also don't need one to see abnormal behavior and to arrive at a conclusion. I know the sky is blue and I know that a penis is made for a vagina for procreation to take place. These aren't things I need explained to me. I simply know them to be true. Nature screws up as far as abnormalities such as deformations but the wrong brain in wrong body..I'll leave that for the pseudoscience doctors that make money off selling hormones and performing sex changes to debate.
originally posted by: Rookseven
a you may want to brush up on that non-degree. And FYI, the sky isn't always blue
originally posted by: Anathros
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Anathros
I have an older gay brother and for the life of me, after 25 years of him being "out of the closet" I still believe it is a mental disorder. I think the transgender issue is too. No different than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. I do not think male brains end up in female bodies or vice versa but that's just my opinion.
WHY?
Why do you think that?
It is what I believe. I don't have a doctorate but I also don't need one to see abnormal behavior and to arrive at a conclusion. I know the sky is blue and I know that a penis is made for a vagina for procreation to take place. These aren't things I need explained to me. I simply know them to be true. Nature screws up as far as abnormalities such as deformations but the wrong brain in wrong body..I'll leave that for the pseudoscience doctors that make money off selling hormones and performing sex changes to debate.
originally posted by: acackohfcc
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: Anathros
I have an older gay brother and for the life of me, after 25 years of him being "out of the closet" I still believe it is a mental disorder. I think the transgender issue is too. No different than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. I do not think male brains end up in female bodies or vice versa but that's just my opinion.
I'm going to guess you don't believe in a lot of things that an overwhelming consensus of doctors/scientists agree on. Like global warming, vaccines, etc.
when I was working on my Bachelors in Psychology in the early 80's homosexuality was an ICD9CM recognized disease
Then somebody decided it wasn't a mental disease any more? Sorry, still a mental disease