BREAKING: Senate confirms DeVos as Education secretary Vice President Pence breaks 50-50 tie

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU0408

Considering DeVos wants federal funds going to religious schools and you're defending her I took it to mean that you had no issue with that.

They may want to curb their enthusiasm and realize they're also now leaving blank checks on the table for new ones teaching ideologies they don't support, like madrassas. All thanks to their golden girl's misguided Dominionist crap.

Geez Louise. Stop freaking out about this. The show will go on, it's our turn to try our hand at fixing things. Obviously the last decade failed our kids. Their proficiency testing is beyond poor while the grad rates are at all time highs. It doesn't add up, and that's because they're being given passing grades so the schools can continue getting federal funds on the No Child Left Behind program. Time to see if we can fix this.

Cover your eyes, we got this.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Bottom line, the left had decades to improve our school system.

And they failed.

You do know that a Republican was President before Pres. Obama?
Or do you not understand how many years "Decades" are?

Then again you unwittingly make a case for a failed education system in your post...

And the 8 years prior was a democrat.

The education system has gotten worse.

Standards are lower to improve graduation rates, the quality of education has dropped, and you and your ideology has failed to own up for it.

Our education system sucks.


Now it's time to give someone else a try.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU0408

Considering DeVos wants federal funds going to religious schools and you're defending her I took it to mean that you had no issue with that.

They may want to curb their enthusiasm and realize they're also now leaving blank checks on the table for new ones teaching ideologies they don't support, like madrassas. All thanks to their golden girl's misguided Dominionist crap.

The taxpayers already do pay for madrassas in this country
www.danielpipes.org...

originally posted by: Cypress

originally posted by: matafuchs
Can any of the detractors name 3 things about her that would NOT make her a good Sec of Education?

PS from a conspiracy sense I am surprised no one bring up her brother.....

I've personally experienced and then watched as her family and their ilk destroyed and profitted off the children in michigan. For the record I went to grade school when they opened the edison project as this new school idea back in the mid 90s. They sold the concept to poor families offering a free computer, (which were little more than a typewriter with a screen at the time) in the home. The difference in education was negligible compared to traditional, the teachers were vastly underpaid which hurt the local economy and they spent government money to buy their books and supplies from sister companies at marked up prices. Plus, there is no school board for charters, so the community has very little say in the education process.

So she got you free PC's to do your homework on and paid for your books and teachers today are still underpaid because of the corrupt unions and people today still have even less to say in the proccess then they did back then.

Sounds to me that she did a lot more for you then anyone else so far.

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: LSU0408

The don't need to teach god per say, They do need to teach morals. How to convince children and these adult children to follow morals without god is difficult

I agree. Morals, respect, and manners is what it's all about. My kids will catch themselves saying "Yeah" to me and quickly walk it back and say "I mean yessir." I asked them all if their teachers ever correct them if they don't say sir or ma'am and the teachers do not. Are you kidding me???

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
It would be so entertaining watching her crash and burn if it didn't also mean f***ing over our children's education.

Your teachers are right now out there keeping busy inciting violence and murder.

Missed that story...got a link?

Here is one recent example.

So...Where does she teach? ...what school?...Cuz that looks like fake news to me.

a reply to: Indigo5

VOUCHERS...My issue with vouchers is it steals funds from public schools to make sending rich kids to private schools cheaper.

Wrong. It makes it more expensive because the schools know that the funds are coming no matter what as opposed to a parent working two jobs to make tuition. You are talking out of you ass as usual. When a student leaves the public school the school does not get money for that student. It goes to the private school. Nothing is lost. I know the argument is if there is a decline in attendance there is less funding. Well, make it an A school and not a D school and maybe it will attract more students.

School vouchers have also shown to actually save taxpayer money. Sometimes it is less to send a child to a private school than a public school. You would not think so but it happens.

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Annee

She funded a "conversion therapy" charity to the tune of 100M+ to pray the gay out of LGBT youth.

She said states should decide for themselves if they want to teach Special Ed kids.

She (falsely) claimed that Wyoming had guns in schools to protect against grizzly bears?? In defense of her position that guns should be in schools.

VOUCHERS...My issue with vouchers is it steals funds from public schools to make sending rich kids to private schools cheaper.

District X gets 1 Million in Federal Dollars for public schools. She takes 500K of that and gives it in the form of coupons to anyone who wants them if they want to attend the expensive private school in town. The Private school costs 10k per year, the coupon/voucher for rich kids pays for 6K of that 10k bill...and the poor kids couldn't afford the remaining 4k bill anyways.

That is how you take tax-payer money from public schools (defunding them and making them worse) and give it to rich families so they can pay a lot less for johnnies private school and maybe even save enough to buy that 2nd home in the Hamptons!

Never been big on vouchers. If you can't afford to put your kids in a private school then that's nobody's fault but your own (I can't afford it and don't expect someone to buy my way in). As far as the rest, I don't see an issue. "Conversion therapy" will be a self fixer once all these kids realize it's no longer trendy or cool to be queer. Once it becomes uncool again, they'll be erasing all their social media pics and posts about gays. Hopefully skinny jeans on dudes are soon to follow.

a reply to: Indigo5

The White House must die. White people must die. White people need to give me you houses. What is wrong with you?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Indigo5

The White House must die. White people must die. White people need to give me you houses. What is wrong with you?

I guess she never said it, since she clearly did. This is what liberals call "fake news".

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Bottom line, the left had decades to improve our school system.

And they failed.

You do know that a Republican was President before Pres. Obama?
Or do you not understand how many years "Decades" are?

Then again you unwittingly make a case for a failed education system in your post...

And the 8 years prior was a democrat.

The education system has gotten worse.

Standards are lower to improve graduation rates, the quality of education has dropped, and you and your ideology has failed to own up for it.

Our education system sucks.


Now it's time to give someone else a try.

Exactly. It's our turn. They had their shot and failed. They can cover their eyes if they don't want to see it unfold.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU0408

Considering DeVos wants federal funds going to religious schools and you're defending her I took it to mean that you had no issue with that.

They may want to curb their enthusiasm and realize they're also now leaving blank checks on the table for new ones teaching ideologies they don't support, like madrassas. All thanks to their golden girl's misguided Dominionist crap.

Love the way Righties blow off Dominionism.

The Dominionists have been steadily pushing this for years.

Turn a blind eye. Then someday "How could it happen?"

Heard that before.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU0408

Considering DeVos wants federal funds going to religious schools and you're defending her I took it to mean that you had no issue with that.

They may want to curb their enthusiasm and realize they're also now leaving blank checks on the table for new ones teaching ideologies they don't support, like madrassas. All thanks to their golden girl's misguided Dominionist crap.

Love the way Righties blow off Dominionism.

The Dominionists have been steadily pushing this for years.

Turn a blind eye. Then someday "How could it happen?"

Heard that before.

In many ways, Dominionism is more a political phenomenon than a theological one. Just so you'd know you're just inhaling the partisan politics on this one, too.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU0408

Considering DeVos wants federal funds going to religious schools and you're defending her I took it to mean that you had no issue with that.

They may want to curb their enthusiasm and realize they're also now leaving blank checks on the table for new ones teaching ideologies they don't support, like madrassas. All thanks to their golden girl's misguided Dominionist crap.

Love the way Righties blow off Dominionism.

The Dominionists have been steadily pushing this for years.

Turn a blind eye. Then someday "How could it happen?"

Heard that before.

In many ways, Dominionism is more a political phenomenon than a theological one. Just so you'd know you're just inhaling the partisan politics on this one, too.

I've been on boards for over 20 years. There is a before ATS, ya know.

How about you?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Annee
I hope people refuse to work for her. And boycott everything she puts out.

Well now, that will certainly be a fine example of putting children and their education first, won't it? "Kids, no school for an indefinite period of time while grown ups act like little spoiled babies and refuse to do their job as teachers because they disagree with someone chosen to serve the country in a role of authority over them."

But of course, it's all about the children...

Well, in a roundabout way that is what it turns out to be. It's just not the ones that have a want for learning but more about the ones rioting,assaulting and sabotaging because they did not get their cookie.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Bottom line, the left had decades to improve our school system.

And they failed.

You do know that a Republican was President before Pres. Obama?
Or do you not understand how many years "Decades" are?

Then again you unwittingly make a case for a failed education system in your post...

And the 8 years prior was a democrat.

The education system has gotten worse.

Standards are lower to improve graduation rates, the quality of education has dropped, and you and your ideology has failed to own up for it.

Wait...So "decades" means the prior 8 years?..hmmm...you guys are starting to convince me there WAS an issue in education...When did you graduate?

Speaking of graduation..

The High School Graduation Rate Reaches A Record High — Again
www.npr.org...

Now...On Math and Reading scores...agreed we still have work to do...They are Flat vs. Falling under Bush.

The test is based on a 1,000-point scale. Among the findings:

-In math, the U.S. average score was 470, below the international average of 490. Average scores ranged from 564 in Singapore to 328 in the Dominican Republic.

-In science, the U.S. average score was 496, about the same as the international average of 493. Average scores ranged from 556 in Singapore to 332 in the Dominican Republic.

www.usnews.com...

* But my question is...How does the party that thinks Math and Science is Fake News plan on improving those scores?
By Praying the gay away? Like Betsy Devos's family charity funds?
Or Guns in schools to fight of Grizzlies?

You might say VOUCHERS or the more likable phrase "School Choice"...Choice for rich kids..

The Devos family successfully made that happen in Michigan...lets take a look at her handi-work

"Since Michigan embraced the DeVos family's ideas about choice, Michigan has steadily declined on the National Assessment of Educational Progress," Ravitch wrote.

Michigan has gone from a middle-of-the-pack state to the bottom tier in just 12 years. The state's NAEP ranking on fourth grade reading has dropped from 28th in 2003 to 41st in 2015, the latest results. The fourth grade math ranking has dropped from 27th in 2003 to 42nd, writes Ravitch. The Detroit Free Press runs down the numbers here.

www.prwatch.org...

I tend to agree with this woman who worked under Bush's education Secretary

DeVos is "unprepared, unqualified and unfit" for the office, and "would be the first Secretary of Education in our history to be hostile to public education."

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Indigo5

The White House must die. White people must die. White people need to give me you houses. What is wrong with you?

You said she was a Pre-School teacher?

It should be simple to tell me what school, where etc?

FAKE NEWS...Damn...the education system really has failed some folks.

a reply to: Indigo5

Your ideology has failed.
Your ideology lost the election.

Get over it. You lost.

Time for someone else to give it a try.

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: xuenchen


History in the making!!
The first time ever a cabinet nominee was so unpopular and incapable of getting the sufficient votes where the Vice President had to step in to nudge her over the edge!

And how important this appointment was, at least for the Trump
agenda to drain the swamp. This may be the only original post
I have time for-- and everybody ignore me as usual: for I don't
have (or ever did) a puppy of my own in the fight.

They got me young.. sometimes it shows. But for the first time
in my life I'm seeing a way out of this 50 year old educational
hole we've dug.
What scares me is how few people notice how deep that hole is.

originally posted by: derfreebie



What scares me is how few people notice how deep that hole is.

That's because. . .in order to measure the area of the hole, you need pie.

And then we all get hungry and have lunch and forget about the hole.


(Sadly, the above is a true story)