Planned Parenthood, how critical are they to Womens Health?

a reply to: Edumakated

An "an anti-abortion woman" called some clinics, and only three or four offered any other service than abortions.

Hmmm... I wonder, if she is an anti-abortion campaigner, can her results be trusted? I mean, clearly, to be described as such, she is not an unbiased source. How can we know that she did not deliberately call a huge number of locations which she KNEW provided only limited service, rather than calling a larger sample of locations, and getting a more realistic look at the service provision in the area?

a reply to: knoxie

While I personally think Title X is a waste of money, I do agree that Hannity is probably one of the most biased sources on the right. That aside, I'm pretty confident regular health insurance covers birth control and office visits. Like a few weeks ago I picked up my wife's birth control at walgreens, and because of the ACA it cost exactly $0 at the pharmacy.

a reply to: drewlander


what happens if/when they do away with the ACA and millions lose healthcare. where will they go for affordable family planning? for those whose insurance won't cover bc? I used it during the brief time I was without healthcare when I was young and I was grateful.

I think women should stop having sex, period. Til the gorillas aren't in charge.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Edumakated

An "an anti-abortion woman" called some clinics, and only three or four offered any other service than abortions.

Hmmm... I wonder, if she is an anti-abortion campaigner, can her results be trusted? I mean, clearly, to be described as such, she is not an unbiased source. How can we know that she did not deliberately call a huge number of locations which she KNEW provided only limited service, rather than calling a larger sample of locations, and getting a more realistic look at the service provision in the area?

I don't disagree. The calls were recorded and only having a handful of clinics out of 100 offering any service other than abortion is telling. Based on PP claims of offering other services, the results seem to contradict that claim. Most sources are not unbiased. I'm just looking at different angles.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I was listening to Hannity the other day and he was interviewing an anti-abortion woman who called like 100 planned parenthood facilities and only like 3 or 4 offered any kind of "women's health" beyond abortions and the ones that did offer other services actually just referred the patient out to other clinics. It was pretty clear that PP is just an abortion mill hiding under "women's health".

I'd be curious as to how that chart is developed. What is the underlying data?

If anything screams, "I like being told things I want to hear" its what you wrote above. Especially the bolded part.

a reply to: drewlander

outside of the fact that there are still quite a few people still without insurance, or mediciad...
the same people who want planned parenthood defunded, doesn't agree with the mandate that was the attempt to make birth control part of coverage and they don't like the ACA either.

a reply to: neo96

Actually I think Planned Parenthood should exist. You'd be surprised how much less they offer care for than the hospital. Consider that as much as 20% of all pregnancies fail without an "abortion" as you might define. Most women dont want to wait for their body to expell an unborn fetus as a daily reminder of their failed pregnancy, so they generally choose to get a d&c, which is the same procedure as an abortion on paper. A d&c at the hospital costs about 10x more than at planned parenthood to remove the unborn carcass. Would you like to pay a hospital 10x more for the same procedure that planned parenthood does routinely?

Also not to side track, but whenever you hear or see a number for the amount of abortions in your state , city or nationwide, remember that information is voluntary. I personally believe the number is likely to be inflated by as much as 20% because of what I previously stated.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Edumakated
I was listening to Hannity the other day and he was interviewing an anti-abortion woman who called like 100 planned parenthood facilities and only like 3 or 4 offered any kind of "women's health" beyond abortions and the ones that did offer other services actually just referred the patient out to other clinics. It was pretty clear that PP is just an abortion mill hiding under "women's health".

I'd be curious as to how that chart is developed. What is the underlying data?

If anything screams, "I like being told things I want to hear" its what you wrote above. Especially the bolded part.

I put anti-abortion to note that it was not unbiased. However, I know libs like you take anything out of HuffPo or NYT as gospel. Regardless, whether the interviewee was anti-abortion or not does not change the facts.

You libs kill me. Someone will state 2+2 = 4 which is a fact but then you argue the person stating the fact was an English major and not a math major, therefore the fact is irrelevant.

a reply to: dawnstar

OMG dont get me started on this topic. My wife was told by her OB office they wouldnt refill her birth control without an office visit for her annual and a pap. She asked when she could get in and they offered a date 3 months out -- long after her birth control runs out. To make matters worse, she needs her birth control not for controlling birth but to control endometriosis. She scheduled a visit with a different OB that wasnt an asshole and last week I get a bill for the entire office visit because evidently our insurance through BCBS requires that we clear it with them whenever we change specialists.

This # is outta control for sure.

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: neo96

Actually I think Planned Parenthood should exist. You'd be surprised how much less they offer care for than the hospital. Consider that as much as 20% of all pregnancies fail without an "abortion" as you might define. Most women dont want to wait for their body to expell an unborn fetus as a daily reminder of their failed pregnancy, so they generally choose to get a d&c, which is the same procedure as an abortion on paper. A d&c at the hospital costs about 10x more than at planned parenthood to remove the unborn carcass. Would you like to pay a hospital 10x more for the same procedure that planned parenthood does routinely?

Also not to side track, but whenever you hear or see a number for the amount of abortions in your state , city or nationwide, remember that information is voluntary. I personally believe the number is likely to be inflated by as much as 20% because of what I previously stated.

Got a source for that statistic?

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Got a source for that statistic?

Yes. Any OB practicing in this country will tell you this number, and on the internet ive seen as high as 25%. My first lost its heart beat at 6 weeks. That means 50% in my case.

a reply to: Edumakated

No it is not telling.

Its one hundred locations, and we only have her word for it that the numbers she dialed even connected to the actual PP locations. You could just as easily be looking at a vicious hoax, a propaganda creation here.

a reply to: Edumakated

Change the facts that an anonymous anti-abortion lady said some things about abortion clinics that were never confirmed and no methodology on how the clinics chosen named and with no sourcing of these claims by you? Yeah. OK. Like I said, you are being biased, but at least you aren't ashamed about it. I just find your post to be ridiculous to read.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword

Women who use Planned Parenthood don't have family doctors or insurance.

that's isn't really true.. at least not all cases..
some people might have the insurance, but her doctor would charge her more than the planned parenthood so she will go to planned parenthood.

This is 100% correct. Anyone charging less than planned parenthood for these services is likely working out of their garage with a dental chair in the back of their truck and is not to be trusted.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Edumakated

No it is not telling.

Its one hundred locations, and we only have her word for it that the numbers she dialed even connected to the actual PP locations. You could just as easily be looking at a vicious hoax, a propaganda creation here.

Besides that, there are a lot of Planned Parenthood clinics that don't do abortion at all, and most that do, it is my understanding, ONLY do abortions, therefore the "ABORTION CLINIC". Separate facilities for their abortion services keeps funding unscrupulously separate from Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: misskat1

Its insane that tax payers are forced to pay for abortions.

That is all.

Carry on.

prove that taxpayers pay for planned parenthood abortions.

a reply to: knoxie

what happens if/when they do away with the ACA and millions lose healthcare. where will they go for affordable family planning?

I dont foresee this being the case at this time. I write software for healthcare for 15 years now with experience in all settings from ambulatory and acute care to ems transportation. Everyone in congress knows it cannot just be removed. I stated from the beginning that existing programs subsidized by the government such as medicare and medicaid should be expanded to allow more people to enroll for pre-existing conditions or if the mandate would someone in duress. Instead they made exemptions to the individual mandate ( a stupid plan that does nothing to help ).

Let's worry about that when its actually on the paper in a bill begining with "H.R." followed by some numbers tho.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: misskat1

Its insane that tax payers are forced to pay for abortions.

That is all.

Carry on.

prove that taxpayers pay for planned parenthood abortions.

You should state this as "elective abortion." Medicare definitely covers abortion under every other circumstance.

More debating material:

This source is from 2015, but has a chart of all the services done by PP by category.

Politifact

Based on my observation. They are a glorified condom dispensary, since their main service is dealing with STD's.