Britain has world’s top economy

a reply to: crayzeed

The phrase is "F.U Jack, I'm alright."

They said not joining the Euro would destroy us back in the 1990's.

The "expets" where wrong on that.



Brexit just meant the globalists and bankers lose money.

originally posted by: Christosterone
You are describing Marxist environment…a liberal utopia is an impossible endeavor as is proven time and time again…

Umm... no... not really. What I am describing is a situation where people are properly paid for their time across the board, not a liberal utopia. In a utopia, the idea of paid work is moot, because the idea of validating ones worth by works is also moot. In such a utopia, work is undertaken for the sheer joy of doing it, with the fundamentals being covered by a currency free system in which there are no credits, money, or any other such notion. People go to University purely to gain knowledge and increase understanding of a topic, without any consideration as to whether or not the information will prove valuable to them, since, of course, value is taken to mean something other than what one can selfishly gain from it.

That is not what I am describing in the least, although I am in agreement with you that it cannot work. Certainly not at the moment, anyway.

Would you have the government handle peoples allowable credit?

Why do you think children are starving?
I can give you the basic answer…
Subsidies!!!
Uneducated fools are popping out babies and prodigious rates whose fathers are scoundrels and they're low IQ genes are propagating and over running the intellectual class…

Absolute bunkum. I am sorry to place a spanner in the works of your argument there, but the fact of the matter is that genius or at least high intellectual capacity is often found in children who have no particular history of it in the family, just as those of low IQ are often born to highly educated and intellectually nourished parents. Intellectual class? Total rot. Intelligence is nothing to do with class or any other such thing. It is an emergent property which can come about or not, regardless of the particular skill set of the parental group involved.

Since the dawn of man athe woman was forced to pick a mate who would provide for her and protect her offspring either through intellectual prowess or physical…
This is an inherent part of our genetic predispositions because evolution forced women to choose quality mates or they and their child would die…

Thats true enough...

The very moment governments began subsidizing those who would choose scoundrels as mates our collective, societal IQs began dropping…

And that is not true. Scoundrels? Really? This started post WW2, because that was when the nation was repopulating. However, poor and put upon does not equal intellectually vacant. There are an astounding number of intellectual non-entities, who are astoundingly successful, and an appalling number of extremely intelligent people who have otherwise failed in life, and the simple reason for this is that the vast majority of the things that dictate whether a person succeeds or fails are actually nothing to do with their specific capacity as people, but rather more to do with luck than anything else!

Because women were no longer required to pick a father who could either care for her or hold down the fort while she earned the income thanks to government subsidies, our societal infrastructure collapsed..

Again, this could not be less accurate.

Spare me the communist talking points because you have no idea what is actually occurring on the streets of the truly impoverished...

Spare me your appeal to silence sir! I have lived on the streets, and I spent most of my childhood wondering whether this would be the week that we finally stopped eating supper, wondering whether there would be milk to drink in the morning or whether it would be watered down to save money.... You really have no idea what my life has been, and to say that elements of it have been nothing short of Dickensian is no understatement. I know exactly what poverty feels like, because it is a part of my life that I will never forget, nor shy away from.

I beg you spend an afternoon in a level I trauma center and see the effect of poor male role modeling and sub-par haplotype expression en masse...

Are you some kind of eugenicist or something? I mean really? What backwards locale did you pick up your understanding of genetics from exactly?

The starving children argument falls flat on me and I will not delve further into this ludicrous cesspool of liberal trite because it is, quite simply, irrelevant to my op...

-Chris

I would argue that the state of a nations economy cannot be measured properly, unless it takes into account whether or not the economy is working for even the least lucky in that nation. If it is not part of the measurement, then the process of measuring it at all is rather pointless.

a reply to: TrueBrit

What Britain do you live in mate?

I just haven't seen this world you describe....

My partner is struggling after having her disability benefits taken. OK, so that's tough... but we still have a 3 bedroom house to rent in a nice area, on one pay check. I don't earn much on an essentially entry level IT job, we have a kid on the way.

We will find it hard, sure, but I feel very lucky to live in a country where I can afford to be the sole earner and still have my son raised by his mother in a beautiful home.

a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

I don't know, which one do you live in?

Its probable that you live in a different county to me, with more sensibly priced housing or some such for a start.

Whaaaat....
Just yesterday, we had to do a study on the rise in inflation in the UK since the referendum on Brexit, and how the Bank of England predicts it to continue in a drastic way. Things aren't so great for our british neighbors...

originally posted by: Christosterone

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Christosterone

Unfortunately, these figures mean nothing, because they refer to the sort of trade and business that only advantages the few, whereas the important thing is how well the street level economy, that everyone is involved with is doing, and that is not doing very well at all.

My cousin is a venture capitalist in London...
Heck, he married a Brit and and has a beautiful British baby...well, half British, half Texan

Interestingly he was opposed to Brexit and his wife voted accordingly thinking they would lose access to the riches of mainland Europe...

Cut to now and he is awash in capital form European states as they see wild potential in the a less regulated, less beholden Britain..

His situation is generally my indicator as it's the only real context I have..plus he's a democrat(as is most of my family) so he tends to be fairly biased...

I bought him a first edition fountainhead for Christmas and told him he is probably the only big government VC in the world lol

btw, I'm becoming quite a fan of you and your often EXCELLENT posts...though we often disagree you ALWAYS stand by your convictions and are open to other opinions and are polite...

-Chris(TrueBrit fan)

Born in ENGLAND, totally ENGLISH.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Christosterone

So again, congratulations to Britain for cutting yourself free of a European albatross and once again setting your own course in this world because as history proves Britain is just fine governing herself and abiding solely by her own economic policies which would benefit Britain...then Europe and then the World…

Actually Britain is a corrupt cesspool run by incompetent fools who only serve the rich, and the poverty levels are getting worse

No, it's actually rather nice

And if you ignore the global crimes of your financial system and banks combined with illegal wars and arms dealing, I guess to some it might be

1) You're from Scotland, I think you mean "our" not "your".
2) We can all cherry pick graphs. Anyone with the time can google "child poverty rates global" and see that on most the UK is at about 10% (even on other Unicef graphs) and is conistently near the bottom.
3) "Capitalism is organised crime" ... No, capitalism is having the ability to be rewarded for personal success. Socialism is being forced to "share" your hard earned belongings with people who don't want to pay their own way, whilst those at the top skim the fat off.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Christosterone

Unfortunately, these figures mean nothing, because they refer to the sort of trade and business that only advantages the few, whereas the important thing is how well the street level economy, that everyone is involved with is doing, and that is not doing very well at all.

Exactly. The overall figures reflect an economy bolstered by the resources exploited from other nations.

I could be wrong, what products does the UK export that make it 'number one' among the worlds economies?

Jet engines, satellites, pharmaceuticals, auto's, to name four.

a reply to: Christosterone


Then the world is in deep Kim Chee...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

I don't know, which one do you live in?

Its probable that you live in a different county to me, with more sensibly priced housing or some such for a start.

I live in Bucks. Generally considered quite expensive as far as things go but I wouldn't want to leave the town I grew up in. If you live in London, well, fair enough. Can't imagine how people can afford to live there, let alone rent or buy there, but I think you would find that in most Western capitals.

originally posted by: Bluesma
Whaaaat....
Just yesterday, we had to do a study on the rise in inflation in the UK since the referendum on Brexit, and how the Bank of England predicts it to continue in a drastic way. Things aren't so great for our british neighbors...

At least your British neighbours can ride buses and visit coffee shops. (read the real news on the net).

a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

I live in Essex, Southend-on-Sea to be precise. Where I live, there are an awful lot of commuters living around these parts, driving prices up in terms of housing costs. I am the managing director of a business, and even I cannot afford to live independently. Its a bloody horror show. Our local hospital is in dire straights, and when I was eighteen, I was living on a roundabout at the top of our local town center, because I had no where else to go.

I have had it much easier than many of the people I know, but a damned sight harder than many others too. Its all relative I suppose. The point is, that I did not end up in the situations I have been in through my own fault or failing. I just happened to be bloody unlucky on a number of occasions, and still am. I am not moving away from here any time soon either, because its where my family, my friends and my business are. But life is INCREDIBLY tough. I am trying to find a stable point where my business can survive without me on a regular basis for the day, so that I can go and get some professional help with my psychological state, because I am absolutely broken, tired, and utterly divorced from anything remotely like hope. That is what living this life, in this country, in this county is like. You work for a decade and have nothing to show for it, and then tell me how easy we Britons have it.

originally posted by: [post=21723145]crazyewok[/post

Brexit just meant the globalists and bankers lose money.

If you truly believe that you are in for a real shock...

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: Bluesma
Whaaaat....
Just yesterday, we had to do a study on the rise in inflation in the UK since the referendum on Brexit, and how the Bank of England predicts it to continue in a drastic way. Things aren't so great for our british neighbors...

At least your British neighbours can ride buses and visit coffee shops. (read the real news on the net).

??
I guess I don't get what you are saying. We can ride buses and visit coffee shops too.
I was referring to bad inflation happening with items such as clothing, and now food products. We studied the problems occurring because of the loss of value of the Pound to the Euro, and subsequently, higher prices for raw materials being imported for transformation.

Which is the "real" news on the net you wish to refer to?

Ya Beauty, Just wait till i tell all the homeless, Sick and disabled, unemployed i have the pleasure of walking past every other day... I'm sure they'll be delighted at this news. Once again London financial is doing great. The rest of the UK is a growing #hole.

Yes, Brexit hasn't happened yet.

And sterling continues to circle the drain.

Noticed how all of the food and clothes and everything we import is starting to get a lot more expensive?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Firstly mate, I feel for you, truly. Sounds like you are going through a tough time, I know what it's like living with MH problems. I also know the hardships of living in a "minor outlying island" of London and paying more for accomodation than is probably reasonable, whilst not receiving the financial benefits of working in the capital.

I don't want to trivialise your struggles, however I get the feeling that your pyschological state may be the bigger factor here than the state of the country.

For instance -

"Our local hospital is in dire straights" - but you have access to a hospital and healthcare for free! Our hospital is consistently marked as one of the worst in the country and they regularly get things wrong, but they are there for you regardless. They have done their darndest to give my missus excellent care throughout her pregnancy (just hit 3rd trimester! ) and they sure as hell have done!

"I was living on a roundabout" - if you hadn't already told me you were from Essex I would think you hailed from my town! Possible inside joke there!!

"I just happened to be bloody unlucky on a number of occasions" - that sucks mate, but it isn't the fault of our economy or society. If you had gotten so unlucky in another country you may have fiared much worse for all you know.

"You work for a decade and have nothing to show for it, and then tell me how easy we Britons have it." - I can't comment on how hard you have worked or your own personal circumstances. All I can say is that I have been working full time since I was 17 and am now 30 and I have nothing in the bank. It's tough for sure, but can you really say you have nothing to show for it? Nothing?!? You have a business for starters. You have a home? Family?

I would really urge you to find the time to get someone who can lift you back up dude, because what it sounds like you need to me, is emotional rather than financial support. I have very little materially but I'm very happy, feel lucky for what I do have and count my blessings that I live in this country. 2 people in the exact same situation can have wildly varied outlooks on what they have and that is purely a state of mind.

Sorry if I have offended in any way, not my intention.

originally posted by: Painterz
Yes, Brexit hasn't happened yet.

And sterling continues to circle the drain.

Noticed how all of the food and clothes and everything we import is starting to get a lot more expensive?

Not just what we import, remember that Unilever put up the price of Marmite for "Reasons". We're seeing it across the board, makes no difference whether It's produced in the UK or not.

This is flawed as hell. Most of the 'growth' will be in large cities especially London where property is being sold hand over fist to Russians, Arabs and Chinese developers who then charge extortionate rents and gentrify the areas. Reality for most people is spiralling costs for goods and services and struggling to cover bills.

In my dad's day a man could own a house and support a wife and kids comfortably just on his salary, so unless we're heading back to that all this BS about how good we have it is just smoke and mirrors with juggled figures by an endless succession of crap governments to cover their arses.