Will pope Francis announce the Angels are ET, and make a new start for Church and World?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

actually I support your view to some degree. There is a danger, the first ET to come God's angels, everywhere but specifically in Revelation 7 to seal the chosen people and gather the unaccountable number of suffering people, to be rejected by many faithful, along with their way of rescue (whatever it might be). Then, according to the Revelation, come the bad guys, the locusts, the dragons, the beast's army that I call the transformers. At least 3 groups of evil aliens that we know from sci fi. So by rejecting the good God-sent ET, the people will have to face the evil ones.

a reply to: 2012newstart

No first is the anti-christ who will be known at the beginning of the great tribulation. Men will not see the angels that seal the 144,000 male virgin Jews. But the people of the earth will see the devils being cast down to the earth, their arrival will be met with fanfare and song by the inhabitants of the earth believing they ar ET's come to save the earth, to which they believe man is destroying via global warming. It will be these that they will follow to war against Chrsit at Jerusalem along with the 10 million army from the east. These people will be tormented by devils, try and commit suicide and even murdered by others but will not die (zombies more or less).

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Man will not see the angels that hold the four winds back nor the angles that are given power to scorch men with the heat of the sun (talk about global warming) God will give it to them.

Rev 7:1 ¶ And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 16:8-9 ¶ And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat]/b], and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

But right before the battle at Jerusalem they will see the angel proclaiming the Everlasting Gospel which is

Rev 14:7, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

which we know that nothing was made with Christ the Word

John 1:1-4, 14 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Rev 19:11-13 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And by this we know Jesus is God and one with the Godhead

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

The scripture Revelation says clearly the antichrist comes only later. First happen the seals, then the 144,000, plus uncountable multitude of suffering people, then the trumps, (the asteroids, the locusts), and only then comes the antichrist.

Where is the logic God would reveal to John of the visible appearance of angels later, but invisible action earlier? God doesn't work with double standards. Either everything will be visible, or everything is invisible. Some would say symbolic, happening as we speak.

For me, Chapter 7 is describing the rapture and the contact with angelic ET. The transport of that uncountable multitude of greatly suffering people to a place of rest (different from death and salvation of soul!) where they will serve God in the way it was meant for them to be, instead of the suffering on earth. The ones who made them suffer, denied their normal life and mission in life, so they suffered instead may be their whole life. So they get something like a second extended lifespan on another place (most likely another planet) to fulfill what God wanted from their lives.

Rapture is Not chapter 4 where John himself is taken up, but not the church. Also it happens too early, before the seals. By now we have 5 seals opened for sure. I can list historic sequences with different span. I think events like WW1 and WW2 must be included in the seals if we read the Revelation as history of the future, written in 1st century. How would be John missed WW1 and WW2 that would be certainly apocalyptic if he saw them in his time of chariots and swords. For me, WW1 is seal 2 and WW2 is seal 4. The great depression is seal 3. Other cossequences with other span could be built up, including more recent ones. But we have the seals opened. See at the economy in 21st century and it is clear we suffer the 3rd seal, no matter if it was opened in 1929 or after 2000.

Probably we still didn't have the 6th seal opened, that should happen before the 144,000 ++ The Norway spiral showed the sky could roll as a scroll. Perhaps we will see more than that soon.

Currently, both the 144,000 and the uncountable multitude of saved people are on earth. Perhaps all or many of them suffer persecution. As chapter 7 speaks of it. Persecution doesn't mean blood shedding always. It could be spiritual, why not financial or societal. How many people are excluded of participation in the society life for any reason, only one of them being jobless. And that is in the Western rich societies. What to say about the Third World. The world is on the brink, we all can see it without any prophecy. Only a miracle can save us, because in God's plan apparently a total nuclear war is not the thing to happen FIRST. As long as we believe the book of Revelation. I believe that miracle of God will happen within the next 12 months.

a reply to: 2012newstart check out 2 thess 2 the gathering takes place and a great falling away by those who were not real Christians and were left behind then the wicked one is revealed.

commas play an important role in right division

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I believe the announcement of the angelic nature will happen soon. that is the other worlds are populated by various kinds and levels of angels who are not just spirits rather proportions between spirit and matter higher in spirit than we are. That was said by mgr Balducci Vatican exorcist, available on youtube.

That contact will be the so called great warning and will offer humanity way out of the inferno on earth prepared by humans and inspired by those other evil et or devils.

The exact sequence is unknown, but all must accomplish before the hundred anniversary of Fatima should we believe pope Benedict, Malachi Martin, and fr Amorth, both exorcists passed away. That means by Spring 2017 we may have the long awaited result.