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Implying that all the clear pictures aren't CGI. Show some examples of the clear pictures you're talking about that you think aren't CGI, or hoaxes. All the clear pictures I can think of are one or the other.
originally posted by: Oldtimer2
even if you take a clear picture they say"cgi'
a reply to: neoholographic
Newton used eyewtiness accounts in the Principia when talking about comets. He came up with a theory on comets based on recorded sighting throughout the world like a boy saw a comet and this is what he described. There wasn't any internet to even verify the credibility of these eyewitness accounts yet Newton used them to come up with a theory about comets which helped lead to his equations of Gravity.
So if eyewitness accounts are so unreliable, how did Newton use them to come up with his theories?
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....Newton didn't have any of these things yet he came up with a theory about comets based on eyewitness accounts.
originally posted by: neoholographic
We have cases and descriptions of these objects in the sky dating back to Ancient Egypt yet we can't identify these things because the best explanation which is extraterrestrial visitation is blindly rejected.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: neoholographic
We have cases and descriptions of these objects in the sky dating back to Ancient Egypt yet we can't identify these things because the best explanation which is extraterrestrial visitation is blindly rejected.
It's rejected because it isn't a good explanation. There is no good explanation, aliens included.
In 1989, First Officer Andrew Danziger was on a flight from Kansas City to Waterloo, Iowa, and had ascended to 4,500 meters (15,000 ft) when he noticed a white disk visible through clouds to the right of the plane. He conferred with the pilot, who also spotted the object. After ruling out the possibility that it was the Moon, a searchlight, or any mundane aerial object, they continued to engage in flight duties, occasionally glancing at the object.
After 20 minutes, Danziger realized that the white disk had been replaced by a massive red ball floating above the cloud cover, which was maintaining a parallel course with the flight. When the plane dropped to 4,000 meters (13,000 ft), the ball descended and vanished behind the clouds. Then there was a burst of multicolored lights within the cloud.
Danziger reported that the cloud itself started to stretch apart “like Silly Putty,” and then the object, lights, and cloud collectively vanished. After confirming with air traffic controllers that nothing had been seen on radar, the pilot and Danziger were asked nonchalantly, “Do you want to report a UFO?” They were given the number to the National UFO Reporting Center, who told them other pilots had reported similar incidents on a fairly regular basis.
In 2007, Captain Ray Bowyer was flying an Aurigny plane from Southampton to Alderney when he spotted a number of UFOs through binoculars near the British island of Guernsey. Initially, he described the UFOs as flat yellow disks that he thought were caused by the Sun’s reflection from Guernsey greenhouses.
But then he realized they were something else because they did not hurt his eyes as looking at the reflection of sunlight would. He later described himself as “pretty shook up” by the experience. Allegedly, the objects were also reported by passengers on the plane and other pilots in the area.
Bowyer described one of the objects as a “very sharp, thin, yellow object with a green area. It was 2,000 feet up and stationary. [ . . . ] At first, I thought it was the size of a 737. But it must have been much bigger because of how far away it was. It could have been as much as a mile wide.” He saw a second, identical object to the west when making his descent toward Alderney.
originally posted by: neoholographic
It's a great explanation and the best explanation. It makes no sense that there isn't a good explanation as you say and we have mountain of evidence that dates back to description in Ancient Egypt of these objects flying in the sky.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: neoholographic
It's a great explanation and the best explanation. It makes no sense that there isn't a good explanation as you say and we have mountain of evidence that dates back to description in Ancient Egypt of these objects flying in the sky.
There is a mountain of evidence, but not necessarily of alien craft flying around in the sky. Unknown or unidentified does not equal aliens. Only aliens equal aliens, and there's not a bit of evidence proving anything of the sort.
originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: neoholographic
I pretty much agree with the OP, but the presence of these alien starships in our atmosphere, signifies a technology that is far superior to our own --- And I can only speculate as to how these foo fighters function on land, sea and air --- Not to mention obvious superluminal capabilities on interstellar journeys with these wonderful flying machines.
originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: neoholographic
Danziger's UFO sighting is very similar to my November, 1976 nighttime double foo fighter sighting, approximately 40 miles west of Washington D.C. --- With a bluish-white, possible rectangular shaped light, going from east to west, from the direction of the capital with incredible speed above the low thin cloud cover --- One minute later ---- A huge ball of magnetically contained ball of fusion plasma [with no fiery tail] making a slow straight perpendicular descent to earth, appearing about 1 mile away beneath the low cloud cover.
except we know for a fact bicycles exist and most certainly what they look like.
originally posted by: MaximRecoil
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MaximRecoil
Eyewitness testimony is a type of evidence, and until the word "evidence" evolves to mean something else, that fact remains.
Interpreting what an observer has seen based on their testimony is like trying to build a bicycle based on their drawing from memory.
That's a strong case for UFOs then, considering that all of those bicycles in your link are close enough to be recognizable as bicycles, i.e., they all have two wheels, a frame of some sort, handlebars, and a seat.
And given that you didn't actually address the statement of mine which you quoted, your tacit concession regarding it is noted.
a reply to: neoholographic
Your post supports exactly what I'm saying and these accounts are right there in the Principia. Have you read it? Newton for instance listed a boy who saw a comet and others eyewitness accounts as well.
You're simply making the case for U.F.O.'s.
He came up with a theory on comets based on recorded sighting throughout the world like a boy saw a comet and this is what he described. There wasn't any internet to even verify the credibility of these eyewitness accounts yet Newton used them to come up with a theory about comets...
...these accounts are right there in the Principia. Have you read it?
The point is, eyewitness accounts can be used by Science especially when dealing with aerial phenomena. Here's more on meteorites:
The skeptics do the same dishonest thing when these reports occur.First they try to find a known object that fits the sighting. That's fine.
Secondly they start to yell fake or today everything is CGI if it "Looks to good to be true." Dishonest
They then try to attack the witnesses. When Edgar Mitchell started talking about extraterrestrials he went from a hero to a kook and a senile old man. Again, dishonest.
Significantly, the UFO activity occasionally transcends mere surveillance and involves direct and unambiguous interference with our strategic weapons systems. Numerous cases include reports of mysterious malfunctions of large numbers of nuclear missiles just as one or more UFOs hovered nearby. (Declassified Soviet Ministry of Defense documents confirm that such incidents also occurred in the former USSR.)
To date, Hastings has interviewed more than 150 military veterans who were involved in various UFO-related incidents at U.S. missile sites, weapons storage facilities, and nuclear bomb test ranges. The events described by these individuals leave little doubt that the U.S. nuclear weapons program is an ongoing source of interest to someone possessing vastly superior technology.
Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14 was their massive statistical analysis of Blue Book cases to date, some 3200 by the time the report was completed in 1954, after Ruppelt had left Blue Book. Even today, it represents the largest such study ever undertaken. Battelle employed four scientific analysts, who sought to divide cases into "knowns", "unknowns", and a third category of "insufficient information." They also broke down knowns and unknowns into four categories of quality, from excellent to poor. E.g., cases deemed excellent might typically involve experienced witnesses such as airline pilots or trained military personnel, multiple witnesses, corroborating evidence such as radar contact or photographs, etc. In order for a case to be deemed a "known", only two analysts had to independently agree on a solution. However, for a case to be called an "unknown", all four analysts had to agree. Thus the criterion for an "unknown" was quite stringent.
In addition, sightings were broken down into six different characteristics — color, number, duration of observation, brightness, shape, and speed — and then these characteristics were compared between knowns and unknowns to see if there was a statistically significant difference.
In all six studied sighting characteristics, the unknowns were different from the knowns at a highly statistically significant level: in five of the six measures the odds of knowns differing from unknowns by chance was only 1% or less. When all six characteristics were considered together, the probability of a match between knowns and unknowns was less than 1 in a billion.
The result of the monumental BMI study were echoed by a 1979 French GEPAN report which stated that about a quarter of over 1,600 closely studied UFO cases defied explanation, stating, in part, "These cases … pose a real question."[32] When GEPAN's successor SEPRA closed in 2004, 5800 cases had been analyzed, and the percentage of inexplicable unknowns had dropped to about 14%. The head of SEPRA, Dr. Jean-Jacques Velasco, found the evidence of extraterrestrial origins so convincing in these remaining unknowns, that he wrote a book about it in 2005.[33]
Intriguing new evidence of lifelike structures that form from inorganic substances in space have just been revealed. The findings hint at the possibility that life beyond earth may not necessarily use carbon-based molecules as its building blocks. They also point to a possible new explanation for the origin of life on earth.
Could extraterrestrial life be made of corkscrew-shaped particles of interstellar dust? Intriguing new evidence of life-like structures that form from inorganic substances in space have been revealed in the New Journal of Physics. The findings hint at the possibility that life beyond earth may not necessarily use carbon-based molecules as its building blocks. They also point to a possible new explanation for the origin of life on earth.
Life on earth is organic. It is composed of organic molecules, which are simply the compounds of carbon, excluding carbonates and carbon dioxide. The idea that particles of inorganic dust may take on a life of their own is nothing short of alien, going beyond the silicon-based life forms favoured by some science fiction stories.
Now, an international team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organised into helical structures. These structures can then interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and life itself.
V.N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow, working with colleagues there and at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany and the University of Sydney, Australia, has studied the behaviour of complex mixtures of inorganic materials in a plasma. Plasma is essentially the fourth state of matter beyond solid, liquid and gas, in which electrons are torn from atoms leaving behind a miasma of charged particles.
This is the perfect example of why eyewitnesses can't be trusted.
originally posted by: neoholographic
Here's a video of a Pilot in Oregon that sees these orbs. These look almost exactly like the ones I saw. Like I said extraterrestrial visitation is the best explanation and if you blindly reject the best explanation then U.F.O.'s remain unidentified. Some of them can even be inorganic life forms that form from cosmic dust.