Jerusalem Holy Site Declared Muslim, Not Jewish, In United Nations Resolution

a reply to: lostbook

Brilliant. Now we will have Muslims praying in a place made for other god.

One big step towards a unifying new religion. A new messiah coming soon.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Its an interesting view, but just one mans, and Id say not definitive.

a reply to: lostbook

The resolution was supported by who.....LOL. Oh boy.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: ketsuko

Martin use witness including Josephus as well as scripture and didn't interoperate it but took it literally .

But not correctly. For example, he used springs literally, but the Hebrew could also be eyes which gives the whole segment a different meaning. So he still relied on his interpretation.

He uses Josephus where that suits him but ignores Josephus where it doesn't. He treats other witnesses similarly.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Maybe they're using the sequel theory.

Judaism was the first installment, then came the sequel Christianity, then the sequel of the sequel, Islam.

I have no qualms with this ruling personally. In general I think the land occupied by what calls itself Israel should be returned to it's rightful Palestinian owners.

Canaanites? They are long, long gone and no where to be found. The whole lot over there now are later.

a reply to: Trueman

It's the same God? Jehovah, God, Allah, same guy.

One of the Messiah's in Islam is Jesus as well.

Why would the UN ever make such a decision that would further divide people?
If you want to make a resolution, why not a resolution that it is a place for everyone?

a reply to: ketsuko

Really? Not even Saladin against the Crusaders?

originally posted by: charlyv
Why would the UN ever make such a decision that would further divide people?
If you want to make a resolution, why not a resolution that it is a place for everyone?

They could have divided it by time. Christians and Jews get along, so they could share for six months of the year, and Muslims could have the other six. Or rotate it somehow Or some such. This is going to set a lot of Jews and Christians up to be murdered I'm afraid.

a reply to: Ohanka

Prophet, not messiah....Jesus in Islam
Pretty sure thats a big difference

a reply to: charlyv


They want to friggin remind us that they're there. Like good enough just wasn't. Create false divisions between factions of people just to get a rise of all the political power they hold which by now is all for #^^'&$.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: Trueman

It's the same God? Jehovah, God, Allah, same guy.

One of the Messiah's in Islam is Jesus as well.

Islam has no Messiah, only prophets. The concept of Messiah is blasphemous. It would mean that Allah allowed his divine personage to be split into more than one.

That's one of the big beefs they have with us Christians. We recognize the divine nature of Christ. He and God are both two and one at the same time. They call that polytheistic and blasphemous and refuse the believe that God would ever allow His divine self to be divided in such a way. Then we make it even worse by adding in the concept of Holy Ghost or Spirit!

Our divide with the Jews is over whether or not Christ was Messiah. They expect one, but they don't believe He was it. Muslims, of course, think Jesus was a prophet but not divine, and think we're both nuts for believing their would ever be a divine Messiah or son or God.

Hence the problems, and you can trace the roots of it all back to Abraham, his wife Sarah, their servant Hagar, and two kids: Isaac and Ishmael.

a reply to: BlueJacket

A prophet, yes, but also the messiah.

During the end times after the Mahdi (who is either a new guy entirely or is already living on this earth, depending if you're a Sunni or Shia respectively) defeats the Anti-Islamic armies he reigns over the earth for either 3, 9 or 30 years (interpretation varies), after his death Jesus descends from heaven and rules for 40 years.

I think Jesus fights Gog and Magog as well, but it might be the Mahdi. My knowledge of Islam is a little rusty.

Jesus definitely has a second coming and a pivotal role in the Islamic end times.

a reply to: Ohanka

No, Isa (Jesus) bows to acknowledge Mahdi and Islam and then turns on all his followers. Isa does not descend from heaven to rule after Imam Mahdi.

a reply to: angeldoll


The line isn't that clear. I mean it seems to be during the American elections and all, but ultimately the UN is presenting itself as something that knows very little of what it's about.

There was a married man who also had a girlfriend. His best friend asked him one day "if both your wife and girlfriend were drowning, which one would you save?"

The man replied "My wife. My girlfriend would understand".

a reply to: ketsuko

According to Islamic tradition which describes this graphically, Jesus' descent will be in the midst of wars fought by al-Mahdi (lit. "the rightly guided one"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against al-Masīh ad-Dajjāl (the Antichrist "false messiah") and his followers.[62] Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes—his head anointed. He will say prayer behind al-Mahdi then join him in his war against the Dajjal. Jesus, considered as a Muslim, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Antichrist, and then everyone who is one of the People of the Book (ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam.

After the death of al-Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus' prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks.[62] Jesus' rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die.

Well, i got it a bit wrong, but he does descend from heaven and rule the earth for a while.

a reply to: angeldoll

My wife isn't that easily confused.

Islam has no Messiah, only prophets. The concept of Messiah is blasphemous. It would mean that Allah allowed his divine personage to be split into more than one.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's why I said "One big step towards a unifying new religion".

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: lostbook

Gog and Magog . The Tribulation Begins........

Gog and Magog? I thought that was Russia and the US.

Russia and China is gog and magog imo

The USA and all our allies can't field a 100 million man army.