Is Donald Trump a Russian Spy?

the Ukraine is different... couse of the strategic element of it ...the russian naval base on the krim..... well played out by the NATO b.t.w.....
the west knewed in front that Russia NEVER would give up the Krim....!a reply to: ressiv

loll Russia did the same what USA did with Cuba once.....
democrary for solidarity ore democraty for money......!
just an bad system afterall..... sigh...


a reply to: DJW001

a reply to: SmashnGrab

eyeroll. Great. A smartass noobie who thinks he's a Mod. If you had bothered to stop and think
[ I know it's hard but at least try ]
You would have realized that Trump being an agent for Russia is no more a danger than Clinton being an agent for the many countries who have gave money to her foundation. They are on a completely different level than you or I and are involved with many, many people, all over the world. Just because Trump is not constantly poking at Russia, which Clinton is, doesn't mean he's some kind of secret agent.

Couse the US leaves the middle east ..(not depending on oil anymoore )
the weapon industry's found a new way for profits..
A New Cold War ......!
win win situation....a reply to: DAVID64

Love the Trump isn't competent remarks. You've gotta be pretty brain dead to call a successful property billionaire incompetent.

Also love the comment about Trump and Putin are buddies, you obviously only read what you want coming from the bought and paid for media. Putin denounced ever praising Trump months ago, but continue your narrative if it helps you sleep at night.

a reply to: Floridagoat

Love the Trump isn't competent remarks. You've gotta be pretty brain dead to call a successful property billionaire incompetent.

You must have slept through the past thirty years to think that Trump is a successful property billionaire. Four bankruptcies and a billion dollar loss in a single year.

a reply to: SmashnGrab

No.

This is absurd.

OP, you are drinking cool aid.

He is the leader of a vast right wing conspiracy though. Oh wait, red hats, red flag of the soviets.....MY GOD!

The character assassination is getting old. /is actually helping him.

originally posted by: SmashnGrab
I'm sorry, I tried this in another forum last night but that forum was interested in making it a right vs left Hillary vs Donald debate. I have changed it some, added more parts. I don't want to police people to stay on topic. I barely received one on topic response, so I am posting this conspiracy here where I hope it will get some serious thought and commentary. What would be Putin's ultimate goal? What would he want to achieve? Would he blow us all up? Invade Europe? Please... think about it.

It is possible that we are in the midst of an incredible conspiracy unfolding. This could be the biggest conspiracy ever perpetrated on the American people. Trump may very well have been turned by Putin. I don't know if it's Melania, Ivanka, both, or money and greed, and possibly women or young girls thrown in with that. I am saying this for reasons beyond simply throwing mud at Trump. Think about this objectively for a minute.
Trump's rise to popularity seems aided by an unexplainable force. He has taken the United States by surprise. Seemingly effortlessly. Is there a secret guiding force to his genius? Could it be Putin standing behind the curtain of Oz?

I want you to talk about Putin's goals or his methods if this is true. But, I feel the need to convince you, so I will point out some things that made me wonder. Has anyone else had their suspicions about Trump and Putin?

Donald Trump is a man with a secret. That secret is buried in his tax returns. But, there are other little mysteries surrounding this man. Why would a guy who loves to spend other people's money be financing his own campaign? Why would a guy who says he is always telling us the truth lie about hiding his tax returns?
There are too many inconsistencies about Trump. We know that he is in debt to China for about $150 million and we know he has some loans from Russia, but we don't know how much- that is a closely guarded secret. We know he hates to pay his loans and will gladly partake in any deal to reduce his debts. He is proud of his ability to take advantage of people to make money. Most of his supporters call him smart for doing this.
We know Paul Manafort resigned from his "job" because of his ties to Putin's puppet government, and he was the recipient of dark money. We know that Paul was working free of charge, despite being one of the most expensive advisors and, being well connected to Russia, should not be on any nominee's presidential campaign staff.
We also know that Trump claimed both to know Putin, and then recently, not to know him. We know his daughter Ivanka vacationed recently with Putin's girlfriend. We know that at Trump's elite golf course in Dubai, Trump vacations with Russian dignitaries and Saudi royalty.
Maybe Trump found a "silent partner" to pay off his Chinese and Russian debt and to pay for his campaign.
Both Putin and Trump are nearing the end of their careers and they share together a desire to be in the White House. Perhaps Trump found a way, with a little help from his Russian dictator sponsor, to run for President. The idea is so simple and so bold and obvious that it is practically invisible! It seems too obvious to be true. Yet, we know that Putin does not respect Clinton. If Clinton is weaker, why is Putin helping the Republicans by hacking the DNC? It would seem that he is placing a lot of trust in a man who claims to be a very tough negotiator. That might indicate there is cooperation between Putin and Trump.
Trump could easily make a deal to share the Top Secret Presidential briefings that he gets as one of the major party nominees. That would go a long way to paying off some of that debt. This information alone could reveal the most guarded secrets of our highest levels of intelligence. Entire networks could collapse based off such high level information.
I find it interesting that Putin would choose to interfere in our elections at this stage in his life. I don't think he would gamble with the possibility of US retaliation, something which could hurt his legacy if there was not a good possibility of great reward. We don't know when this started. Maybe Melania is a honey pot and led him down this shadowy path. Maybe it started with his big loan from China, or sometime in Dubai he was blackmailed? It is hard to know because Trump is guarding details of his possible conflicts of interests. But I don't see Putin as a gambler when it comes to foreign politics. I think he has an arrangement with Trump. Hard to believe Trump would casually ask Russia to hack the DNC and it happens "coincidentally" ...often he is telling the truth even when he jokes.
I am not saying this to smear him. So please do not make this about Hillary in return. There are thousands of places to talk about Hillary's conspiracy theories. Let's discuss a possible Trump conspiracy of the highest order.
edit on 9-10-2016 by SmashnGrab because: Clarity and grammar

At this high of a level, I think it would be very hard for him to be a spy or be "turned" and NOT get found out by our myriad intelligence agencies.

originally posted by: frenchfries
back on ATS again... Just to hear something different than MSM... no luck the same humdrum..


Yes trump is a russian spy
And he also got pegged by hillary
Julian Assange told me...
pff....

That's exactly why I come here most of the time, to hear an alternative view. Unfortunately, 90% of the "views" on here are bunk, or outlandish.

The problem here is that you don't realize that Wikileaks targeted the Bush administration over Iraq evidence of war crimes. These leaks, including the Snowden revelations, are NOT a Democrat-focused attack. NSA surveillance started long before Obama came into office, and Bush was all about it. Remember the Patriot Act? Also, Syria isn't a "Democrat" thing, it's a military-industrial complex/establishment thing.. It's going to continue regardless of which president (of those who are both remaining and electable) gets into office.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: SmashnGrab
a reply to: ressiv

What do you think Putin do if he had control of our President? Would he want to take over Europe? Or would he want to make the US more like Russia??

He would absorb the rest of Ukraine and the Baltic states, then go to war with Iran over Central Asia and the Gulf. He would also expand Russian arms sales into markets currently dominated by the United States. He would continue to encourage factionalism in the United States to prevent it from rallying behind strong leadership that is willing to confront him. You don't need to be an intelligence analyst to see that.

Ukraine? For what lol

Seems like a B rated movie. Sorry.

a reply to: Imhere

Ukraine? For what lol

For control of the Black Sea and its access to the Med.

Seems like a B rated movie. Sorry.

You need to stop watching bad movies and start studying geopolitics. You can start here:

books.google.com...

a reply to: SmashnGrab

Trump's rise to popularity seems aided by an unexplainable force.

No, very explainable. Trump's entry into a 2016 POTUS campaign (he has run before) was a perfect storm. The Republican Party had narrowed down its voting base and ideology over the years to become a party of its own right wing fanatics. After decades of Reaganomics and 1980s unraveling of corporate law, after decades of increased corporate influence and money into Washington, after conservatives sewing the seeds of mistrust and polarization in the populace, the GOP voting base of right wing extremists and former Dixiecrats (who had changed parties decades ago) along with a disaffected populace rebelled.

Trump's rise was bolstered by media actions which, as one executive had proudly exclaimed, may not be good for America but good for his media company. In another era, this media hype would have been scrutinized. But this is a New Era, again after decades of encouraging citizens to become consumers, to not think for themselves, to not question. After two decades of promoting/tolerating irrational thinking, unreasonableness, and that "truth can be whatever a person says it is".

Politicians, like Newt Gingrich, could and would appeal to the emotions rather than the minds of voters. Till today, when the appeal of Trump is totally to an emotional voter, not a rational one. No more "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". Now, it is all about fear. And mistrust. All played amidst a fog of "truth".

We have done all of the above to ourselves. That has been our national weakness. Like in the old days of the Cold War when the KGB would look for hardware defense weakness, Putin and Russian intelligence have merely found a new type of national weakness and exploited it. Trump is not a spy, but rather an "unwitting asset" to keep our nation destabilized, our democracy and values destabilized, something we ourselves have been willing to do to ourselves for years.

Back to the original question of whether or not Donald Trump is a Russian spy, I find the answer is a very obvious No. His only known dubious ties are to the Mafia and in particular the Jewish Mafia (not the Russian Mafia). As a candidate he more likely represents a level of the "deep state" that is nationalistic and anti-globalist and that is entirely fed up with the likes of the Clintons and their higher level controllers.

a reply to: SmashnGrab

Quick answer/reply.

No

a reply to: Kapriti

Lol, just "no"? You can't even think about it. Well, anyone could be a spy. You didn't even attempt to refute any part of the facts that build the case.

a reply to: desert

That perfect storm is a great cover. You do know that spies need cover, right?

a reply to: Imhere

Yes... there is an enormous amount to be gained from turning a guy like Trump. I would think no candidate has ever had so many ties to shadowy Russian elements and, through his faults, would make such a perfect opportunity for Putin.

No, but I do have serious suspicions his campaign is being (likely unwittingly) exploited by Russian interests. And no one can accuse me of pro-Clinton bias being the motive for said suspicion. They both make me want to cryogenically freeze myself until the election cycle is over.

See this topic: www.abovetopsecret.com... (I wish more people had read it and responded to it. Note: I'm not the topic creator, but my thoughts can be found therein.)

Peace.

So a reality tv star Russian spy that doesent speak Russian that has never held a government position , or let alone been in 1,000 feet of anything classified whatsoever and/or national security wise plus living in America 70 years

Dumbest spy ever