Liberalism and Political Correctness Heralds the Destruction of America

a reply to: GodEmperor

You began your OP with a statement in quotation marks:

originally posted by: GodEmperor
'There is no greater weapon the left deploys than the ignorance of the average American.'

Oddly I searched this combination of words and the only exact match I found was this thread.

That aside...

Beyond that the levels of false assumption, false equivalence and misinformation apparent in some of the opinions you have written strike me as, at best, sad and at worse, patently dangerous - and are nearly too numerous and rapid fire to begin to address on a point by point basis. Some examples:

originally posted by: GodEmperor

How we have to be sensitive and understanding to those rabid animals (criminals, terrorists) who want to kill us and destroy our culture.

So that wrongness is perpetuated and formed into policy, we are seeing instances of this abhorrence through Obamacare, through unmitigated illegal immigration, through placing rules on warfare in a war the other side that has no rules.

The liberals have no sense of morality, they were never taught these ideals, all they care about is what is best of themselves; no matter the detriment to society as a whole it imparts.

To property address just these three random points would take me more space than ATS offers for a reply. There is so much wrong here.

Who says that we have to be "sensitive and understanding" to criminals and terrorists? I am progressive, many of my friends are progressive and I can't think of a single one of us who promotes the idea of being sensitive towards violent or dangerous people who want to "kill us and destroy our culture". To be clear, as a liberal - anyone conspiring to harm others should be punished to the full extent of the law. Of course, as a liberal I don't tend to define "criminal" as somebody caught in possession of pot - so maybe there's a disconnect there, as many deeply conservative people see drug addiction as a character flaw and an affront rather than a disease.

I fail to see how Obamacare is a foreign policy, but ignoring that aspect - are you aware that the ACA - Obamacare - is a policy position created by Richard Nixon, fleshed out by a Conservative think tank - The Heritage Foundation, and first tested in Massachusetts under the Mitt Romney administration? Even if you dislike or disagree with the ACA, to refer to it as a liberal agenda is simply wrong.

Oh and American progressives do not believe in nor want socialism. What we want is a social democracy, which is an entirely different thing. To clear this up, we want effectively regulated capitalism ( as did Adam Smith ) with a sound and rational social safety net.

As for your diatribes about indoctrination and "purging" thought? You might want to research these terms a bit more because, in relation to politics these things are much more in line with communism and fascism than with any free, self governing societies.

And as for your opinion that liberals have no morality, were never taught to be moral and are only out for themselves? Absolutely an unfounded opinion based upon nothing more than assumption and I can readily and easily argue the same about conservatives - with much better supporting evidence.

I don't know where you are getting the information from which you form your opinions - though it's not hard to make an educated guess. My earnest advice would be to suggest you find a wider pool of data to work from to avoid such obvious bias and dissonance.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg


Yea we had some of that, political refuges and you can see a good deal of trouble it caused when we took in thousands of Italian communists before WWII. They have been calmed down for a good while now. But they still brought the mob which has really been a pain in the ass and has really never assimilated to this day over here. Same with the Irish is some areas. Now we have Russians out the azz and their organized crime. Of late refugees from Laos and Vietnam around 75-80.

More than refugees by far is the draw we have during industrialization. Mostly working poor folks from around the world. Coal mines, iron ect.

a reply to: olaru12

I'm exceedingly reluctant to even get involved in this discussion but I have to say you have no problems reading between the lines and putting words in Trump's mouth. Am I seeing a little double standard here?

As far as socialism goes, how about asking the Venezuelans how well it's working for them right now.

Don't get discouraged OP. You said you are a Millennial. You have plenty of time to come back and say, I told you so if or when collapse comes our way. I don't think a dynasty has ever existed that didn't eventually fail, generally of it's own making. Just ask the Romans.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Exactly right. Diversity means a variety; unity means one. If we concentrate on diversity, we are concentrating on that which makes us different: skin color, gender, sexual preference, political ideology, religion, how we talk, what we like to eat, ad infininitum. If we concentrate on unity, we are concentrating on what makes us the same... some would say, what makes us brothers. Which of those would lead to violence? Which would lead to peace?

The distinction between leaving a worse life and working towards a better life is important because it goes to intent. Is the intent of an immigrant to become an American? Or is it to get out of [insert country here]? The former is a desire to be better, to be a part of something greater than oneself; the latter is more often than not a change in geographic location. Again I ask, which is more noble?

Many of the immigrants who came here a hundred years or more ago usually stayed with their own, because it felt more comfortable to them. You had Italian parts of town, Irish parts of town, German parts of town. Many of the first generation immigrants never learned English - but their kids did. It's the same now. And back then, there was always some resistance to letting in new immigrants. Same now.

Actually most stayed with their own because of the diversity between themselves and the overall culture. It took a generation or so before this diversity subsided. Most knew this; it was common for them to demand that their children learned about this new home they had come to. They also typically tried to learn English themselves, although most people have trouble learning such a complex language at a later stage in life.

The result is that they united with society, even if it took a few years. Their children became part of America; they did not just live in America.

Today, we have a different dynamic. Neighborhoods are self-segregating instead of merging. Spanish has become prevalent as a second language in some areas that were English-speaking for millenia before. Children of immigrants speak their home language as much as they do English. Street gangs are growing, usually formed along racial lines. They are diverse... and worse off for it.

That is all because the typical immigrant (note that this is not inclusive of all imigrants) today is less concerned with being a part of America than with they are with not being a part of [insert country here]. They may live here, but they are not a part of here. They are diverse... and separate from those around them.

And really, what else would one expect in a country which would rather celebrate how different they are than how similar they are?

Legal immigration tends to encourage unity. Illegal immigration tends to encourage diversity.

TheRedneck

a reply to: kaylaluv

Why are you trying to twist my words?

I will use Muslims as an example, again. The vast majority of Muslims in America are more secular than in other parts of the world. Because, for the most part, they have embraced American culture; of freedom.

In a secular nation, to embrace a free and secular society, we have to move away from our old culture. American values, freedom of speech and religion, as it does not infringe on others is American culture. We must be ever-vigilant to never cross those lines, but we are now coming closer to that terrible outcome because of liberal thought. The left is pushing America, to the point where we must tolerate the intolerable.

Here is some food for thought. I believe marriage should be outside the realm of the state, the only state involvement would be that 'marriage is between consenting adults'. That is all, and if one church does not want to marry certain groups, that is their right; find one that will. The vast majority of the rest of the world, are polygamist; yet I do not see the left fighting for the rights of all people. In fact, marriage controlled by the state was a racist institution to begin with, marriage licenses were enacted by Democrats to prevent mixed marriages.

Stew on that a while.

Since 2013 alone, the Obama administration has allowed 300,000 criminal aliens to return back into United States communities. These are individuals encountered or identified by ICE, but who were not detained or processed for deportation because it wouldn’t have been politically correct.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Essentially, you are a mirror image of what you claim me to be.

I did not make any claim of what or whom you are. I only commented on what you said and the rhetoric/propaganda it contained.

Your op did not contain any facts, or substance as you say, to even imply what you stated. It was nothing more than the normal every day trash we hear from Right Wingers.

Doom and gloom and the Libs are going to eat your babies.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: kaylaluv

I don't think Muslims have the right to instill Sharia law in the U.S. Thankfully, most of them don't want to. I also don't want Christians to instill Biblical law in the U.S. either, but that hasn't stopped them from trying.

I agree on the part of Christians, and we as Americans should be ever vigilant to prevent them from succeeding. However, I don't understand, how you would claim a different monolithic religion would not do the same. Especially when majority Muslim countries live under Sharia law.

This is a good point however it will go mostly unnoted as such. It really were the heavily Christianized nations of the world that gave birth to political liberal thinking that challenged for example the Devine Right of Kings paradigm.

Nations steeped in Islam mostly are politically backward as seen through political liberal philosophies like "we the people". They have already demonstrated that their "holy men" have more political authority over the life and grouth of their home nations.

a reply to: introvert

No, WE keep ours. Liberals kill their own as inconveniences.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Why do you believe that unity cannot overcome diversity?

I have the same number of legs and arms that you do. We both have two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth...all in similar locations. We both can speak. We both have dreams. We both need to eat, drink, sleep. We are unity.

You might have a different skin tone than I do. You might be taller or shorter than me. You might use different words than I do. You might be different from me in many other small ways. We are diverse.

So which are we, diverse are unity? It depends on what we want to be. We can choose to say we are diverse, or we can choose to say we are unity. The former will forever keep us apart. The latter will bring us together. Neither will change who we are, only what we can be.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: jimmyx

so, can I freely insult you time after time, after time, in a public forum, without you getting angry about it?....

Why, Any way you want sir, I believe in free speech, and have no right not to be offended, I very rarely am, Thats the joy of not being part of the regressive left...

Try it, you might like it

there you go, insulting an entire political philosophy as being regressive in nature....oh....what a joy it must be for you

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: introvert

No, WE keep ours. Liberals kill their own as inconveniences.

This is the sort of ignorance I am talking about.

Just because us Leftists take a stance on something for the sake of freedom, does not mean we all engage in the act, such as abortion.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Since 2013 alone, the Obama administration has allowed 300,000 criminal aliens to return back into United States communities. These are individuals encountered or identified by ICE, but who were not detained or processed for deportation because it wouldn’t have been politically correct.

so...Obama had his people call ICE, and tell them to release 300,000 criminal aliens.....got it...geez, if only we had republicans in office, all those 300,000 criminal aliens would be in prison with life sentences.....it's so simple to see.

a reply to: Hefficide

I have a feeling you fail to properly address my comments, because you have no argument to do so.

The Republican establishment, is effectively, part of the left. The leadership in both parties, there actions are resoundingly in the realm of leftist thought. The healthcare industry became unmanageable, when government became increasingly involved. In fact, the rate of inflation for the healthcare industry was on par with the rest of the economy, until the enactments of medicare/medicaid etc. The purest form of the left, is total control by the government, which includes socialism, fascism, and corporatism; the purest form of the right(not republicans) is that of anarchism and communism(the actual theory). Our system has moved away from right of center, towards deep into the dangerous corners of the left.

Oh and American progressives do not believe in nor want socialism. What we want is a social democracy

Oh right, do you understand the difference? Because I do.

Socialism is implemented through force of government, 'social democracy' is socialism implemented through the democratic process(aided by the ignorant masses). The vehicle by which socialism is installed does not constitute any stark contrast.

a reply to: introvert

It is YOUR worst possible idea,and the most divisive element between our factions.
AND your statement required correction,you are welcome.

originally posted by: GodEmperor

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Well, this thread scares the crap out of me. I've never seen such a slew of lies, delusions, screamed nonsense and general fascist insanity in my life. I hate to break it to the OP, but global climate change is occurring, liberals are not communists who are trying to destroy the USA and 100% capitalism is actually a rather bad thing. I also detect a stench of racism all over the place.
I am a liberal, I am proud of that fact and even prouder for being an informed liberal who has questions.

As it should scare you.

The climate is not a static system, it is constantly in flux. To believe we have any control over a system, that we barely have an understanding over, is ignorant and dangerous. The age of fossil fuels will only be a tiny blip in geological history, it is a temporary state. The left is wrong, we created civilization to protect us from nature; if our goal is to protect nature from man, it is another nail in mankind's coffin.

I have never used the term communism in this thread. Communism is a system of government in which there is no state, it is a utopian system in which people somehow all get along and work together without any authority to guide them.

The majority of the left may not actively believe they are destroying America, but they are. I never said 100% capitalism is the way to go, that is again another lie. Our system is the best system, in terms of survival. We overcame all others, to become the strongest, America is the apex of man's collective evolution. The left seeks to cripple America, they make decisions based on their feelings, there is no rational explanation how their agenda will make things better. However, if we look at it from a standpoint that the goal of the left, is destruction; then every step the left has made is perfectly brilliant.

I also would like to see what comments you refer to are racist. The stench of racism is so obvious, it comes from democrat strongholds; look at what the left has done to the Black community. It was a Republican who ended slavery, it was Democrats who enacted jim crowe laws, it was Republicans that pushed through the Civil Rights Act. The first Black Republicans to hold office were seated in power a hundred years before Democrats did the same. It was Democrats who asked in the '80s, who will we have run for office a Black or a woman?

If you are to call out lies, you need to actually show something that resembles evidence. Unless of course, the intent is to muddy the waters.

Welp, for a start you obviously totally fail to understand recent American political history and the massive changes that both parties have undergone. The 19th Century Democrats were not progressive in any way shape or form. Then came the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow (the result of the Dixiecrats) - oh and also a slow shift of progressives away from the Republicans. It accelerated in the 1930's and 1940's and then went into hyperdrive in the 1950's as everything changed. By the time that LBJ (a Democrat) rammed through the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act (with massive majorities from BOTH parties) the Dixiecrats were starting to moving away to the Republicans. Then came Nixon and the Southern Strategy. Which worked, but which is now falling apart.
If you can't smell the racism, by the way, you are blind to it.
As for the climate, we now know that levels of atmospheric CO2 are higher now than they have been for millions of years. The Arctic is melting, creating a feedback loop that will last for not decades but centuries. We've raised the temperature of the Earth. Us. Our species. It's happening right now and there is nothing that we seem to be doing about it. We are too arrogant about this planet. It's not ours, it's just tolerating us for a while.
By the way, Communism is the ultimate state. I'm not talking about the theoretical aspect, but about the practical consequences. I've seen it. I went to what was then the Soviet Union in 1988. Sad isn't the word for it.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: introvert

No, WE keep ours. Liberals kill their own as inconveniences.

This actually got me so angry that I deleted my original response. Absolute rubbish - and offensive, arrogant and misinformed rubbish.

originally posted by: GodEmperor


I will use Muslims as an example, again. The vast majority of Muslims in America are more secular than in other parts of the world. Because, for the most part, they have embraced American culture; of freedom.

So what's the problem?

In a secular nation, to embrace a free and secular society, we have to move away from our old culture. American values, freedom of speech and religion, as it does not infringe on others is American culture. We must be ever-vigilant to never cross those lines, but we are now coming closer to that terrible outcome because of liberal thought. The left is pushing America, to the point where we must tolerate the intolerable.

What terrible outcome are you talking about? Who is saying to tolerate the intolerable? That's a lot of word salad there with not much meat. Are you a politician?

Here is some food for thought. I believe marriage should be outside the realm of the state, the only state involvement would be that 'marriage is between consenting adults'. That is all, and if one church does not want to marry certain groups, that is their right; find one that will. The vast majority of the rest of the world, are polygamist; yet I do not see the left fighting for the rights of all people. In fact, marriage controlled by the state was a racist institution to begin with, marriage licenses were enacted by Democrats to prevent mixed marriages.

Whoopie, we agree on something. The state shouldn't get to say who marries who. That's pretty much what all liberals believe too.

You are confusing political parties with ideologies. Ideologies are conservative and liberal. There were conservative Democrats in the South who were the slave owners, who enacted Jim Crow laws, and who tried to stop interracial marriage. There were conservative Republicans who agreed with this. There were liberal Democrats (and Republicans) of the North who disagreed with the conservative Democrats. Over time, the Republican party became more conservative and started appealing more to the conservative Democrats of the South. The Democrat party became more liberal. Now you don't see too many of the old Dixiecrats of the South, because they're all Republican now. Same conservative peeps, change of party.

Stew on that a while.

I don't have to stew on it. I have been hearing arguments like yours for a while now. Nothing new here.

a reply to: introvert

Yet, you have provided nothing of substance to dispel the my truths.

The left is moving more and more towards authoritarianism. First, abortion is institutional racism, the rate of abortion for Black Americans is startlingly higher than any other group. As America moves more towards the left, it won't be just a 'choice', which isn't given the deplorable conditions the left has created for the poor. Soon the left will promote mandatory abortions, having income requirements to have children, to only allow for children who do not have genetic disorders, etc. A policy born out of racism (liberal thought), like abortion, will always return to its' roots.

The left chose the path of death and destruction. It is common knowledge, that more educated areas have more sustainable birth rates, which negates any need for abortions.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: GodEmperor


Oh and American progressives do not believe in nor want socialism. What we want is a social democracy, which is an entirely different thing. To clear this up, we want effectively regulated capitalism ( as did Adam Smith ) with a sound and rational social safety net.

Well I sat in college classrooms and listen to folks, professors calling themselves the progressive new left back in the 80s and they were worst nightmare socialists. Even complaining about old folks that retire with to much money and how their bank accounts should be clipped by the state ect.

But yea its called democratic socialism and its really contrary to the constitution in so many ways and does have an agenda and will regulate the american economy right out of business. The idea with democratic socialists is that if they get enough of them democratically elected then they can use the legislator in enact their will, AHCA a good example. Worse than anything Christians and at this point even Muslims have had in mind for america. Folks crying out "watch those religious nuts around the controls" are mostly these democratic socialists and their useful true believers that have their eyes on the control buttons.