Trump to introduce immigration plan, including Amnesty for millions of immigrants.

Obviously his new pollster told him the obvious.

YOU CANT WIN TRUMP WITH THOSE POLLS IN THE HISPANIC AND BLACK COMMUNITY

Trump is transparent

News for Trump: black people and Latinoes aren't children you could just manipulate with your obvious poll driven new policies

originally posted by: Konduit
It's Univision so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

But it would be expensive and incredibly messy to try to arrest and deport all the illegal immigrants that are already in America. Why not introduce a program that vets immigrants and allows some of them without a criminal history to become citizens?

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Konduit
It's Univision so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

But it would be expensive and incredibly messy to try to arrest and deport all the illegal immigrants that are already in America. Why not introduce a program that vets immigrants and allows some of them without a criminal history to become citizens?

True, but there are names and you can just get them when they pop up.

He didn't change his stance. Nice try to make him seem like he flip flopped by the opposition, tho.

Starts with the criminals and their associates, fans out from there.

The wall will be built, immigration will tighten big time.

Over stay a visa? expect a knock on your door.

Laws will be enforced.

Remember little Gonzalo?

The SWAT team that grabbed the 6yo and sent him back to Cuba?

That was a Clinton who did that.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Selective memory?

Elian was sent back at the request of his father. Other relatives tried to get the US to allow him to stay but, even if granted, you cannot go against the will of a parent when minors are involved.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Selective memory?

Elian was sent back at the request of his father. Other relatives tried to get the US to allow him to stay but, even if granted, you cannot go against the will of a parent when minors are involved.

The kid was an american citizen, wasn't he?

Since when does the US Govt send a SWAT team instead of Child Protective Services and ships a 6yo off to a commie country we have no diplomatic relations to!!!!

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
The kid was an american citizen, wasn't he?

No, he and his mom were trying to raft into the US and his mom died. He was a citizen of Cuba.

Since when does the US Govt send a SWAT team instead of Child Protective Services and ships a 6yo off to a commie country we have no diplomatic relations to!!!!

When the father of said child requests that he be sent to him and his aunts and uncles don't want to give him up.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
The kid was an american citizen, wasn't he?

No, he and his mom were trying to raft into the US and his mom died. He was a citizen of Cuba.

Since when does the US Govt send a SWAT team instead of Child Protective Services and ships a 6yo off to a commie country we have no diplomatic relations to!!!!

When the father of said child requests that he be sent to him and his aunts and uncles don't want to give him up.

The court decided that he was too young to claim asylum and ONLY his dad could do it.

But with Janet Reno as AG, and Waco under her belt, not surprised at the use of SWAT.

Anyway, that sounds like obama paying back the Iranians on a 40yo debt.

More shenanigans from a Clinton.

Seems like Gore lost Florida over it.

Commentators[45][46][47] have suggested that the Elián González affair may have been a factor in voters' decisions in the 2000 United States presidential election, which could have affected the close outcome in Florida.[48] Al Gore's[49] handling of the matter may have been as great a factor as anger by the predominantly Republican Cuban community over the boy's return to Cuba.

Gore initially supported Republican legislation to give the boy and his father permanent residence status,[50] but later supported the Administration position.

He was attacked by both sides in the dispute for pandering and being inconsistent.[51]

Trump probably will get rid of the "wet foot/dry foot" loophole for Cubans.

It'd be nice to get the criminals hiding out there too. Like that cop killer Black panther chick.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
The court decided that he was too young to claim asylum and ONLY his dad could do it.

And his dad wanted him back. Everything else is irrelevant.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
The court decided that he was too young to claim asylum and ONLY his dad could do it.

And his dad wanted him back. Everything else is irrelevant.

Lol, yeah, that's why his wife died trying to get away from him.

Such a lovely life she left.

Anyway, let's stay on topic.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Who knows what type of life she left and if it was worth the risk and price she paid.

Yes, the topic is Trump sitting in on an amnesty discussion. Seems like some there left thinking he might entertain the idea. Maybe not.

Elian being sent back to his father has nothing to do with that so I'm left wondering why you even brought it up.

a reply to: muse7

lol at trump the master lets change our story and watch all our followers join along. i dont know if most trumpbots have an original thought as they go whichever way in the wind theyre furer does

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xstealth

Sure but that costs money. Where is the money going to come from when trump is cutting taxes?

The printing presses.

What makes you think taxes pay for anything when we have a 20 trillion dollar debt? 100% of it is gone through waste and abuse and interest on debt

Research the grace commission then tell me you want to increase taxes.

a reply to: jefwane

He is a deal maker right?

What's the first thing you put on the table in a deal? The best case what you would love to have option. Then you deal back to an option you can live with. The only way you EVER get the first deal on the table is if you hold ALL the cards and the other person HAS to take the deal. Almost never happens.

I'm wlling to compromise to a point, lets see what this deal is before we say no.

a reply to: jefwane

He is a deal maker right?

What's the first thing you put on the table in a deal? The best case what you would love to have option. Then you deal back to an option you can live with. The only way you EVER get the first deal on the table is if you hold ALL the cards and the other person HAS to take the deal. Almost never happens.

I'm wlling to compromise to a point, lets see what this deal is before we say no.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
In a perfect world, I would think Trump would take this opportunity to make the distinction between those illegal immigrants who have traveled here and worked their whole lives while not committing any violent crimes - and those illegal immigrants who repeatedly get deported for violent crimes related to narco terrorist drug cartels that are crippling our population with unprecedented amounts of meth & heroin.

There's a very fine line between the two. And yet no public figure, republican or democrat, has been able to use their airtime to adequately identify common sense immigration policy.

We were on the verge of this when the right-wing media decided to call "amnesty" any plan at all that did not result in the removal of every illegal immigrant.
The word "amnesty" is what turned around the public support for immigration reform.
Just ask Marco Rubio. The results from focus groups on the term "amnesty" pretty much had him eating crow, along with his hat.

However, it's not as if the public is being unreasonable. After all, we had immigration reform years ago which was supposed to include not only a blanket amnesty for those here, but an end to illegal border crossings.
As we all know (and the public well remembers,) that second part not only didn't happen, border security got even worse.

The current demand to close the border before enacting any immigration reform is the direct result of that failure.

It would seem to me that Trump is uniquely positioned to actually succeed on both fronts. Plus, he gets the bonus benefit of undercutting the Democrats' in their obscene craving for all those potential votes if a path to citizenship is agreed on.

Harte

From today's live taping of Hannity show from Austin, Texas.
Trump Open to 'Softening' in Immigration Laws

I remember way back to 9 am this morning, hearing the talk radio in Trump's own voice say, 'we're going to deport all of the illegal aliens, we're going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it.

Why is he in Texas, anyway? Is there some doubt that it will go Red in November?

originally posted by: dismanrc
a reply to: jefwane

He is a deal maker right?

What's the first thing you put on the table in a deal? The best case what you would love to have option. Then you deal back to an option you can live with. The only way you EVER get the first deal on the table is if you hold ALL the cards and the other person HAS to take the deal. Almost never happens.

I'm wlling to compromise to a point, lets see what this deal is before we say no.

Actually, negotiating strategy changes dramatically depending on the strength of your position. I've said this numerous times here, but in Trumps entire career he has only taken negotiations where he's the stronger party. If he's weaker he just walks away and does business elsewhere. It's a good way to run a business, but it's not something a nation can do. National interest dictates that we make negotiations even when we're the weaker party such as with the Iranian Nuclear Deal. If we walked away in that situation we would only further weaken our allies position, while they make a new binding resolution anyways.

Trump has never displayed any ability to successfully negotiate from a position of weakness and it shows here. The US is the weaker party on immigration because we have a border that we cannot enforce, and we cannot have a permanent underclass of illegal citizen. Amnesty is guaranteed, and using all your political capital to try and delay that, just removes your ability to actually get anything at all accomplished.

originally posted by: Olivine
Why is he in Texas, anyway? Is there some doubt that it will go Red in November?

Yes actually. Texas is getting close enough to the margin of error in the polls that there's a chance it's going blue.

from the ignorant I assume..good riddance...those people forget that at one time, their ancestors where immigrants themselves..legal or not ...
a reply to: UKTruth