Are we all the result of the evolution of Crystals?

Are we all really advanced crystal beings?

In essence, postulation that there is an intelligent mechanism that is behind everything we see and experience.
As such, it is peering into the eye of God, for what ever God really is.

Not in a religious sense, but more importantly in understanding the
incredible granularity that exists in more fundamental processes that relate to the
formation of life as we understand it.

If we step back and look at what nature has created, in order for life to even start,
we need look no further than crystals.

The fundamental structures of atoms and molecules themselves, show incredible intent as
well as evolution..



This is a molecule of sodium chloride. Like it's primitive state, salt crystals (and
all crystals) mimic this initial state in all of the geometry that follows in it's growth.
Credit to: By Benjah-bmm27 for the model.

Without going into great detail, you get the idea. Crystals grow into some
extraordinary designs and complexity, based solely on how they appear in their
atomic/molecular state.

Prime examples in geology:

Rhodochrosite



Stibnite



The most complex crystal ever created.

The icosahedron. And we have such understanding of how they grow, that we can write software that,
given the right chemical properties, will self-assemble into this most extraordinary structure.

While icosahedral symmetry is relatively common in nature (especially in viruses) and IQCs
can be found in many metal alloys, the question that surrounds them, as posed by the University of Michigan
study is “how do atoms (or other elementary building blocks) arrange themselves rapidly, and with
near structural perfection, into a long-range ordered configuration without the guidance of a unit cell?”

Crystals grow due to a ripening effect, as described by 2 different lines of research.

J. Michael McBride, Ph.D. is one who studies crystals and crystal growth. Dr. McBride
and his group are currently researching on the Viedma ripening and using optical and atomic
force microscopy to study aspects of crystal nucleation, growth, and dissolution to elucidate
the mechanisms of Viedma ripening.

Ostwald ripening is an observed phenomenon in solid solutions or liquid sols that describes
the change of an inhomogeneous structure over time, i.e., small crystals or sol particles dissolve,
and redeposit onto larger crystals or sol particles.

An everyday example of Ostwald ripening is the re-crystallization of water within ice cream
which gives old ice cream a gritty, crunchy texture. Larger ice crystals grow at the expense of
smaller ones within the ice cream, creating a coarser texture.

Another gastronomical example is in the ouzo effect, where the droplets in the cloudy microemulsion
grow by Ostwald ripening. In geology, it is the textural coarsening, aging or growth of phenocrysts
and crystals in solid rock which is below the solidus temperature.

Ostwald Ripening

Yea, we are moving fast here, but more details blur the big picture. The complexity of crystal
growth is fascinating. We can also verify that our DNA, is a crystal as well.

We also know that crystal formation is a fundamental process in our universe, as we
have examples of just about every type of crystal groups found in meteorites.

These next 2 slides show crystal growth in meteorites.

A pallasite (Esquel) Showing the growth of Olivine (Peridot) crystals withing an Nickel / Iron matrix.



Cross section thin-slice of a chondritic meteorite, showing Chondrules, Olivine and
feldspar crystals.

These next fascinating images, that on first inspection look like a Grateful Dead gatefold, are actually liquid DNA molecules crystallizing. They were captured by the artist and biochemist Linden Gledhill for a new project called MSSNG.

Sourceigg

DNA Liquid Crystals




Taking it further, how crystals form, how life evolves, are intimately related. We
still do not have an answer on the possibilities of intelligent design, but how far
back do we have to go to prove it one way or another.... Most likely an infinite
regression.

Water, the essence of life. There are no 2 crystals of frozen water that are exactly
alike. Need we say more? We ourselves, are 55-65% water.



The memory of water

We may be nothing more than a complex assemblage of advanced crystals,
and that would mean that life is most likely everywhere, on the same evolutionary path.

originally posted by: charlyv
Are we all really advanced crystal beings?

In essence, postulation that there is an intelligent mechanism that is behind everything we see and experience.
As such, it is peering into the eye of God, for what ever God really is.

Not in a religious sense, but more importantly in understanding the
incredible granularity that exists in more fundamental processes that relate to the
formation of life as we understand it.

If we step back and look at what nature has created, in order for life to even start,
we need look no further than crystals.


If you knew how close you were to one of the greatest alchemic secrets of humaniies history you would stop drop and roll....carry on fine soul...carry on....let the Ganesh particle light your path,let the spark of life that which is within and without be the catalyst of your journey.Lobsang...well done.



The fundamental structures of atoms and molecules themselves, show incredible intent as
well as evolution..

This is a molecule of sodium chloride. Like it's primitive state, salt crystals (and
all crystals) mimic this initial state in all of the geometry that follows in it's growth.
Credit to: By Benjah-bmm27 for the model.

Without going into great detail, you get the idea. Crystals grow into some
extraordinary designs and complexity, based solely on how they appear in their
atomic/molecular state.

Prime examples in geology:

Rhodochrosite

Stibnite

The most complex crystal ever created.

The icosahedron. And we have such understanding of how they grow, that we can write software that,
given the right chemical properties, will self-assemble into this most extraordinary structure.

While icosahedral symmetry is relatively common in nature (especially in viruses) and IQCs
can be found in many metal alloys, the question that surrounds them, as posed by the University of Michigan
study is “how do atoms (or other elementary building blocks) arrange themselves rapidly, and with
near structural perfection, into a long-range ordered configuration without the guidance of a unit cell?”

Crystals grow due to a ripening effect, as described by 2 different lines of research.

J. Michael McBride, Ph.D. is one who studies crystals and crystal growth. Dr. McBride
and his group are currently researching on the Viedma ripening and using optical and atomic
force microscopy to study aspects of crystal nucleation, growth, and dissolution to elucidate
the mechanisms of Viedma ripening.

Ostwald ripening is an observed phenomenon in solid solutions or liquid sols that describes
the change of an inhomogeneous structure over time, i.e., small crystals or sol particles dissolve,
and redeposit onto larger crystals or sol particles.

An everyday example of Ostwald ripening is the re-crystallization of water within ice cream
which gives old ice cream a gritty, crunchy texture. Larger ice crystals grow at the expense of
smaller ones within the ice cream, creating a coarser texture.

Another gastronomical example is in the ouzo effect, where the droplets in the cloudy microemulsion
grow by Ostwald ripening. In geology, it is the textural coarsening, aging or growth of phenocrysts
and crystals in solid rock which is below the solidus temperature.

Ostwald ripening

Yea, we are moving fast here, but more details blur the big picture. The complexity of
crystal growth is fascinating. We can also verify that our DNA, is a crystal as well.

We also know that crystal formation is a fundamental process in our universe, as we
have examples of just about every type of crystal groups found in meteorites.

These next 2 slides show crystal growth in meteorites.

A pallasite (Esquel) Showing the growth of Olivine (Peridot) crystals withing an Nickel
Iron matrix.

Cross section thin-slice of a chondritic meteorite, showing Chondrules, Olivine and
feldspar crystals.

These next fascinating images, that on first inspection look like a Grateful Dead gatefold, are actually liquid DNA molecules crystallizing. They were captured by the artist and biochemist Linden Gledhill for a new project called MSSNG.

Source

igg

DNA Liquid Crystals

Taking it further, how crystals form, how life evolves, are intimately related. We
still do not have an answer on the possibilities of intelligent design, but how far
back do we have to go to prove it one way or another.... Most likely an infinite
regression.

Water, the essence of life. There are no 2 crystals of frozen water that are exactly
alike. Need we say more? We ourselves, are 55-65% water.

The memory of water

We may be nothing more than a complex assemblage of advanced crystals,
and that would mean that life is most likely everywhere, on the same evolutionary path.

I love the way they 'represent' the structure of minute bits of matter that we can't see as 'balls' all grouped together linearly.


The nucleus of an atom is a bunch of little spheres all stuck together? Or a single object with a north and south pole?

Just can't get that image out of my mind. A star is a singular object, so is a planet or moon.

But atoms are tiny clusters of little spheres, huh?

a reply to: charlyv this is one of the most exciting discoveries yet. I just flipped to my book on crystals and stones to look up, Rhodachrosite...I believe I had this at one time
Thanks for this, OP...will now study more on just the first stone mentioned.

a reply to: charlyv
Yes.. Animals and minerals overlap and intertwine and have co-evolved.
Minerals make life and life makes minerals that have led to new life forms.

originally posted by: intrptr
I love the way they 'represent' the structure of minute bits of matter that we can't see as 'balls' all grouped together linearly.


The nucleus of an atom is a bunch of little spheres all stuck together? Or a single object with a north and south pole?

Just can't get that image out of my mind. A star is a singular object, so is a planet or moon.

But atoms are tiny clusters of little spheres, huh?

So you have problems understanding the meaning of the word "representation" aka model?

a reply to: moebius

These 'representations' haven't changed over my whole life. Are we that stuck in the Paradigm?

Elements 'bond' with their like. Maybe we should draw little hooks?


How do they make models, what do they stick them together with, glue? Screws?

a reply to: intrptr

I love the way they 'represent' the structure of minute bits of matter that we can't see as 'balls' all grouped together linearly

because that is what they are

The nucleus of an atom is a bunch of little spheres all stuck together? Or a single object with a north and south pole?

basically yes

A star is a singular object, so is a planet or moon.

Well no, those objects are made up of the very things you question exist. In ENORMOUS AMOUNTS.

But atoms are tiny clusters of little spheres, huh?

Atoms are weird little things in general. They like some things and not others, they get together sometimes but sometimes they fight, they always follow a rule, they seem unimportant but understanding them really is important in human physiology.

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

a reply to: Vector99

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

Yes I know. Atoms are mostly empty space, little nothings whizzing about. So are stars and their solar systems, just on a different scale.

As above, so below.

Edit: There, i just explained the Grand Unified Theory for everyone.

a reply to: intrptr

It is atoms that make up everything though.

We actually have observed them.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vector99

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

Yes I know. Atoms are mostly empty space, little nothings whizzing about. So are stars and their solar systems, just on a different scale.

As above, so below.

Their true physical form has to be put through extensive filtering for us to observe them with today's instruments.
Their true nature is on the quantum level, only visible through quantum eyes.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vector99

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

Yes I know. Atoms are mostly empty space, little nothings whizzing about. So are stars and their solar systems, just on a different scale.

As above, so below.

Their true physical form has to be put through extensive filtering for us to observe them with today's instruments.
Their true nature is on the quantum level, only visible through quantum eyes.

Ever see Mulholland Falls with Nick Nolte? He questions a physicist that describes the nature of atoms.

If we could stand on an electron orbiting a nucleus the next atom would appear as far away as the next star does in the night sky.

Or some such.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vector99

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

Yes I know. Atoms are mostly empty space, little nothings whizzing about. So are stars and their solar systems, just on a different scale.

As above, so below.

Their true physical form has to be put through extensive filtering for us to observe them with today's instruments.
Their true nature is on the quantum level, only visible through quantum eyes.

Ever see Mulholland Falls with Nick Nolte? He questions a physicist that describes the nature of atoms.

If we could stand on an electron orbiting a nucleus the next atom would appear as far away as the next star does in the night sky.

Or some such.

Yes, and you were leading on the same premise. If it is a scalar phenomena, then the stars in our neighborhood could have interaction with our environment that we have not been able to quantify, but most likely exist.

a reply to: intrptr
a reply to: charlyv

originally posted by: charlyv
Yes, and you were leading on the same premise. If it is a scalar phenomena, then the stars in our neighborhood could have interaction with our environment that we have not been able to quantify, but most likely exist.

I think about this all the time. Excellent thread just for this little back and forth alone.

As a further contribution to this, it should be emphasized that replication is the fundamental of evolution.

Crystals replicate onto their surfaces, however DNA replication (crystallization) requires RNA, another crystal if you will,
and produces long chains. One would wonder if DNA is in itself, the final evolution of the crystal as the enabler of life.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vector99

Just so you know, you have never actually touched anything. It was the chemical/electrical intervention between your hand molecules and the other things molecules every single time.

Yes I know. Atoms are mostly empty space, little nothings whizzing about. So are stars and their solar systems, just on a different scale.

As above, so below.

Their true physical form has to be put through extensive filtering for us to observe them with today's instruments.
Their true nature is on the quantum level, only visible through quantum eyes.

Ever see Mulholland Falls with Nick Nolte? He questions a physicist that describes the nature of atoms.

If we could stand on an electron orbiting a nucleus the next atom would appear as far away as the next star does in the night sky.

Or some such.

Yes, and you were leading on the same premise. If it is a scalar phenomena, then the stars in our neighborhood could have interaction with our environment that we have not been able to quantify, but most likely exist.

Iv'e wondered about that. Stars revolving in a galaxy seem to stay 'spaced', just like dust suspended in an air column, or rain drops, snowflakes. That denotes ether of some sort. The ether of gravity, or something else?

originally posted by: charlyv
As a further contribution to this, it should be emphasized that replication is the fundamental of evolution.

Crystals replicate onto their surfaces, however DNA replication (crystallization) requires RNA, another crystal if you will,
and produces long chains. One would wonder if DNA is in itself, the final evolution of the crystal as the enabler of life.

Life from lifelessness? Life is different from matter, imo.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: intrptr

It is atoms that make up everything though.

We actually have observed them.

They've discovered smaller stuff, when smashing atoms. Love the diagrams that show things 'spiraling' back to their orbits.

Not unlike diagrams of the solar system.

image search

a reply to: intrptr

Life from lifelessness? Life is different from matter, imo.

That would depend upon how far back you set the line at lifelessness. Again, granularity.

Nice thread.. well presented.. Star and flag for you.