Before you vote for Trump....

Donald Trump is the "common sense" choice.

originally posted by: MamaJ
Obama's presidency should prove our vote doesn't count

Actually, Obama's presidency proves that my vote counts. I voted for him. So did most of my friends. So did a lot of folks.

a reply to: Byrd

Oh ok.... I still don't believe we really have a "vote" in the matter. We are slaves to a corporation you really think they care what we want or who we want to lead us?

Again... Carlin says it so much better than I.

“Give these people a voting day every year, so they have the illusion of meaningless choice. Meaningless choice, so we go like slaves and say “I voted”. The limits of debate in this country are established before the debate even begins and everyone else is marginalized and made to be seen as “communists” or some sort of disloyal person…and now it’s conspiracy [theorists]. You see they made that something that shouldn’t be even entertained for a minute that powerful people might get together and have a plan. Doesn’t happen. You’re a nut case! You’re a conspiracy buff!”- Geroge Carlin

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: MamaJ
Obama's presidency should prove our vote doesn't count

Actually, Obama's presidency proves that my vote counts. I voted for him. So did most of my friends. So did a lot of folks.

Did you get what you expected?

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: MamaJ
Obama's presidency should prove our vote doesn't count

Actually, Obama's presidency proves that my vote counts. I voted for him. So did most of my friends. So did a lot of folks.

As did I. Yet, it was just a continuation of Bush/Clinton years. People thought Obama would be the politician that would effect a change of course. No, things got worse. Military aggression increased. People thought he would inspire constructive conversation about race relations. Yet, race relations getting worse every year with no conversation being inspired by our political leaders, yet again. Turns out he is just a Clinton puppet with the same agendas as the Bush/Clinton administrations.

I have joined the political arena so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people that cannot defend themselves. Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it. I have seen firsthand how the system is rigged against our citizens, just like it was rigged against Bernie Sanders – he never had a chance. Read more: www.politico.com... Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

This is the truth. Some of you still do not get it. He cares. He cares about people. Hillary Clinton ropes off people when she walks on a street to keep away reporters? No, to keep away the common folk. She walked 2 blocks in the LGBT parade but got a picture. Donald Trump anonymously helps those in need and asks only to not be named. I knew stories about it being from NY but Guliani finally said.

He can't be bought. He is a rich outsider. Just because you have money does not mean people like you. He has seen first hand how it works, he is NOT part of the wheel that make DC money and the establishment in our country is shaking.

I was at a local straw poll for Osceola County in Florida. 60% HIspanic. 75% of the candidates, and in some cases 100%, running for country offices are Hispanic in their specific race.

Trump 64%
Hillary 32%

That would be close to a few thousand in attendance if not more. The votes are there. He had a gay billionaire introduce him on the last night. The crowning moment though was being introduced by a Lebanese man named 'Barrack'. Don't forget David Clarke and Mark Burns or Ben Carson.

So, professional black men, gay men and a person from the Middle East whose last name is 'Barrack'. His daughter then spoke.

So where is all that racism and misogyny and xenophobia? All he told me is that we need to put our country first again. I hear more on the news about foreign refugees then I do homeless children or sick vets. We need to clean up our own yard.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ezramullins
The politics of the moment is the topic of conversation and a vote for Johnson, at this moment, is foolish and shortsighted.
As I am a grownup I don't play hashtags with my pound symbol but I do have kids and grandkids to consider, therefore I would never want any criminal from the Bush/Clinton Cartel to regain power.
I know you must still be chapped about Bernie but step away from the bong, for just a minute, and think of the children.

Getting caught up in the emotional pull of the current topics is the best way to make a bad decision.

Remember in 2009 when the claims were that we wouldn't be a country anymore by 2016 if Obama got health care passed?
The claims that the US was doomed unless Bush died and Cheney took over?
The claims that an incoming terrorist attack from Iraq was imminent?

I could go on, literally every cry of soon to be disaster politics or otherwise (remember 2012?) is proven absurd simply by waiting a little while.

Think about the impact of your actions, not 6 months from now, and not 4 years from now, but 50 years from now. Do you think history is going to care the tiniest bit about Clinton vs Trump? On every policy that actually matters they are close, and neither one has given any indication they're capable of shaking up our biggest issue which is the two party system.

If you want to think about your kids and grandkids vote for eliminating the two party system.

And no, I'm not chapped about Bernie at all. I think he had the best policies but at the end of the day he couldn't do something as simple as beat Hillary. I place very high standards on people who get into leadership positions, and in the case of the President requirement #1 is that you're capable of beating a rigged system. Bernie wasn't able to do it, policies aside that just proves he wasn't the right person for the job. Trump to his credit, managed to pass that test. It's too bad he failed every other one.

I don't find myself agreeing with your posts all that much but the lack of positive reaction to your posts in this thread sadden me a great deal.

You are absolutely correct. "This election" is ALWAYS "the most important election, ever"! For as long as I have been able to vote, I've always been told I have to vote the lesser of two evils because if Candidate X gets into office, we are all doomed!

Now everyone is saying "Well, if you don't think Trump/Clinton are truly worse than anything we've ever had before, you're crazy." Whatever. People said the same crap about Obama. I regret voting for him in 2008 but the country is still standing (worse for wear, sure, but standing nonetheless).

I am just tired of it and refuse to be a party to it anymore. If our votes even matter anymore then this is one of the few things I can actually do to try and make a difference. We have a real opportunity to begin dismantling the two party rule this cycle but everyone is too damned concerned with keeping Trump OR Hillary out when we should be trying to keep both of them out.

Guess people just can't shake their programming.

Double sorry

a reply to: CB328

Trump also immature, selfish, materialistic, and obsessed with self-image and pop culture. In short, he's the worst possible candidate for the leader of the free world.

He also has a strange little mouth and weird hair.

You know, Republicans are always talking about character and how important it is, and how supposedly the country is destroyed if someone that doesn't meet their standards of character is elected. Trump's character is terrible, so why would you support him?

a reply to: CB328

You know, Republicans are always talking about character and how important it is, and how supposedly the country is destroyed if someone that doesn't meet their standards of character is elected. Trump's character is terrible, so why would you support him?

Okay. Well first, straw man.

Second, because he's a man who genuinely seems to love his country. And he isn't Hillary Clinton. That's good enough for me.

originally posted by: bbarkow
Second, because he's a man who genuinely seems to love his country. And he isn't Hillary Clinton. That's good enough for me.

Johnson seems to love his country, and he isn't Hillary Clinton. Why Trump?

originally posted by: CB328
You know, Republicans are always talking about character and how important it is, and how supposedly the country is destroyed if someone that doesn't meet their standards of character is elected. Trump's character is terrible, so why would you support him?

If we were kids I am positive my mother would prefer me hanging around with the trump kids rather than the progressive type. It is what it is man maybe we're likely just different kinds of people.

Why do we continue to entertain b.s? When will humanity wake up and realize what is spoon fed to us day in and day out is nothing more than mind control.

These people don't care about us. Oh Trump cares!!! HAHAHAHA! Are you kidding me???? Trumptard and Killary are not even going to lead when one of them get the "Presidency Seat". They are bought and paid for tooooo!

What they care about is $$ and power which war promotes. They care about keeping people divided so they can conquer. They divide us and keep us fighting over religion, sexuality, race and more. They tell you how to think and what is popular. They feed you stories like b.s Kardashians. They make you think there is a "war on terrorism" when in fact they are the ones creating each group to terrorize their own people.

They teach our kids how and what to think. They keep them busy with mind control so their parents can go out each and every day to slave for a system that is so corrupt it's not even fathomable what they do. When their parents get home and it's "family time" the family sits around the tv for even more MIND CONTROL.

*In my yelling voice... CRITICAL THINKERS.... WHERE ARE YOU ?????

a reply to: Teikiatsu

that has nothing to do with what Byrd said.

Byrd said that their vote counted. The aftermath has nothing to do with it.

a reply to: Aazadan

He might weaken the vote against Hellary.
NO WAY.

originally posted by: bbarkow
a reply to: CB328

You know, Republicans are always talking about character and how important it is, and how supposedly the country is destroyed if someone that doesn't meet their standards of character is elected. Trump's character is terrible, so why would you support him?

Okay. Well first, straw man.

Second, because he's a man who genuinely seems to love his country. And he isn't Hillary Clinton. Tha
t's good enough for me.

GTFO with your right wing logic. GWB loved his country and look at the disaster he created for us and the world.

One thing you hear over and over from Trump supporters is that they don't want a crook like Hillary in the White House. They are not bothered by Trump's sharp business practices, the large number of lawsuits filed against him in business, or by allegations of sexual assault against him or by the filing of a lawsuit against him for allegedly raping a thirteen year old girl. Even if Mr. Trump had numerous criminal convictions to his name, his supporters might not waver. He himself said that he wouldn't lose support if he walked out onto the street and shot somebody.

One wonders what the total number of people shot would have to be before he would begin to lose support.

The above is just as much of an indictment of Mr. Trump's supporters as it is of the man himself.

Mr. Trump's supporters hold Hillary Clinton to a much higher standard than they do Mr. Trump. Mrs. Clinton is widely believed by Trump supporters to be a "crook" and is called "crooked Hillary" by Trump himself, but she doesn't have any criminal convictions and in America, until one is convicted, one is considered innocent, except in Hillary Clinton's case.

I think Donald Trump's campaign platform is a patchwork of empty postures built around a very questionable collection of gripes. I think Donald Trump is a "head case" for even considering a presidential run based on his level of understanding and experience. Personally, I would take four years of a reputed "crook", with Hillary Clinton's experience, over ten minutes of a "head case", with Donald Trump's experience, any time.

a reply to: CB328

I support him because I wasn't a republican. He doesn't need to be a nice guy to get things done. Also, his character is far more open than any politician on either side. Most of them have about as much personality as a pet rock. I also really enjoy that he isn't liked by either side.

I really didn't like Bush, never supported anything he did as president. Now Bush backs Clinton. Doesn't that tell you anything? Hillary is the new right wing war-hawk wannabe that all the neocons need to keep their war chests bankrolled.

You support the new right.. Lol.

originally posted by: CB328
You know, Republicans are always talking about character and how important it is, and how supposedly the country is destroyed if someone that doesn't meet their standards of character is elected. Trump's character is terrible, so why would you support him?

Well I'm not a republican, and I don't like Trump.

He isn't a saint, but he is a successful businessman. He is his own man. He has dealt with regulations on the local, state and national level. He knows where to cut waste and inefficiency to maximum profits. He knows how to hire people for maximum impact. During the primaries he showed the ability to pivot and adapt his campaign quickly when his plans were not working.

And electing Hillary is a terrible idea. If Trump's character is terrible, then Clinton's character is satanic.