Ted Cruz Booed After Failing to Endorse Trump: ‘Vote Your Conscience’

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: xuenchen

It didn't get much play, but Eileen Collins, the first woman astronaut to command a space shuttle mission also spoke yesterday about the importance of exploring space..

And the last line of her speech on the teleprompter and transcripts was..

"We need leadership that will challenge every American to ask, “What’s next?” We need leadership that will make America’s space program first again. We need leadership that will make America first again.

That leader is Donald Trump."

BUT she DIDN'T read aloud the "That leader is Donald Trump" bit ...and walked off stage.

Hat tip to Eileen

Here's a link to that story: HuffPo

It says the convention committee prepared her speech. WTH? So none of those words were her own?

Is that typical for convention speeches?

And clearly she never read or approved the speech because she wouldn't have approved a line she was unwilling to say.

I guess I find this story curious.

The Convention Committee did not "prepare" her speech...And maybe I missed it but HuffPo didn't say that either.

The Convention Committee "approves" all speeches and gets final re-write/editing. They did the same with Ted Cruz and he went off-script as well and skipped the endorsing Donald Trump portions.

Yes, you missed it. It's in the HuffPo article:

Retired NASA astronaut Eileen Collins skipped over a planned endorsement of Donald Trump during her speech to the Republican National Convention Wednesday.

As Business Insider’s Josh Barro pointed out, Collins’ prepared remarks included praise for Trump. Here’s the text of her prepared remarks provided by the convention committee:

"We need leadership that will challenge every American to ask, “What’s next?” We need leadership that will make America’s space program first again. We need leadership that will make America first again. That leader is Donald Trump.

Thank you and God bless the United States of America!"

What Collins actually said didn’t explicitly mention Trump, although it did give a nod to the GOP nominee’s campaign slogan:

"We need leadership that will ask Americans, Americans will ask again, “What’s next?” We need leadership that will make America’s space program first again. We need leadership that will make America great again.

I want to thank all of you. Thank you for what you’re doing. God bless America."

I noticed it because I wondered why she would include such a thing in a speech she wrote or approved if she didn't want to say it.

Odd.

a reply to: Indigo5

On a second read, I see they probably mean the convention committee provided Collins' remarks to the Business Insider.

Which brings me back to my original thought...why the heII would she include the endorsement in her own prepared speech if she didn't intend to endorse him??

Very, very odd.

originally posted by: olaru12
Notice the conspicuous absence of Melania. The beautiful Trophy wife became a liability and is now being hidden from view.

maybe she had that virus that was going around

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5

On a second read, I see they probably mean the convention committee provided Collins' remarks to the Business Insider.

Which brings me back to my original thought...why the heII would she include the endorsement in her own prepared speech if she didn't intend to endorse him??

Very, very odd.

I'd suggest that NASA stopped her short when they got hold of the speech - probably some pressure applied so as not to appear as though NASA were taking sides. Just a guess.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

According to my post above, reports were that she was criticized for getting involved in politics, even though it is obvious that she was trying to promote space exploration.
She has previously been critical of Obama for cutting their programs, so it is not surprising she would be speaking at the convention.

My theory - the attacks on her came from the Clinton Machine.

Another speaker said that she was also attacked mercilessly on social media after she was announced as a speaker.

So, to try to ease the criticism of being political, Collins left the name out.
She obviously originally had that in there, but was bullied into not saying it.

Which, in my opinion, says more about the viciousness of Hillary supporters instead of anything at all about Collins not supporting Trump.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5

On a second read, I see they probably mean the convention committee provided Collins' remarks to the Business Insider.

Which brings me back to my original thought...why the heII would she include the endorsement in her own prepared speech if she didn't intend to endorse him??

Very, very odd.

I'd suggest that NASA stopped her short when they got hold of the speech - probably some pressure applied so as not to appear as though NASA were taking sides. Just a guess.

Ha, well she took a side just speaking at the republican convention.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Ok, well that makes sense. It's unfortunate the line was included in the final draft and then provided to the press.

I still find it a bit odd though.

a reply to: BlueAjah

He wants to run in 2020 - sources have been saying that for a while. In order for that to happen, Clinton would need to win. Thus logically, he wants Clinton to win.

Not necessarily. If Trump were to win he would still have to get the nod to run for president the next time. Just because a sitting president doesn't automatically get the nomination.

Also, Clinton immediately tweeted his words "vote with your conscience", and a link to her web site. She took it as an endorsement for her, as I'm sure others did, whether he intended that or not.

Clinton is also going to be using ads were Trump praises her does that mean Trump supports her and wants others to vote for her? It would have been stupid of her to not capitalize on what Cruz did.

Once again, if he was not going to endorse, he should have just not showed up at the convention.

Once again no free speech no free will and people whine that the liberals want to control everything.

a reply to: xuenchen

Booed off stage...

I don't think it could happen to a more deserving guy.

No. I don't like Ted Cruz. But I can't express my true full opinions here. There are all these rules you know.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: defiythelie

Wrong, the GOP know what Trump is like and want to work with him. He needs to settle down a little with the rhetoric but he will be good for America. Anyone but Hellary, please. I'm British btw.

No the GOP does not know what Trump is like. Trump has never held office. I keep hearing trump supporters saying he needs to tone it down and bit and everything will be fine but guess what? Trump has always been this way and has never once toned it down yet. What makes you think he will now?

originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: defiythelie Yes I remember clearly how Obama spoke about being a Born again Christian, and described when " He was brought to Jesus" . What a load of crap! Dont you agree? I mean, Obama a Jesus freak? I personally think he is just a freak, and a narsicistic sociopath that belongs in a padded cell. Dont you agree?

I think the people of the US are so closed minded that politicians have to play the religion card to get anywhere. Trump is even doing it.

a reply to: Nikola014

As I can see it, the only ones applauding Cruz are hillary's supporters.

And the people who actually sees Trump for what he really is a clueless bully that isn't fit to run for the job of dogcatcher.

So, I would say the Republican Party is pretty united, if you exclude a couple of boys whose ego's are hurt because they lost fair and square.

When all the important republicans stay away from the convention it's hardly a sign that they are united.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: BlueAjah

He wants to run in 2020 - sources have been saying that for a while. In order for that to happen, Clinton would need to win. Thus logically, he wants Clinton to win.

Not necessarily. If Trump were to win he would still have to get the nod to run for president the next time. Just because a sitting president doesn't automatically get the nomination.

Also, Clinton immediately tweeted his words "vote with your conscience", and a link to her web site. She took it as an endorsement for her, as I'm sure others did, whether he intended that or not.

Clinton is also going to be using ads were Trump praises her does that mean Trump supports her and wants others to vote for her? It would have been stupid of her to not capitalize on what Cruz did.

Once again, if he was not going to endorse, he should have just not showed up at the convention.

Once again no free speech no free will and people whine that the liberals want to control everything.

In a couple of your posts you seem to be confusing the point about 'if he was not going to endorse then he should not have shown up' [sic] with blocking someone from speaking. The argument is not that he should not have been ALLOWED to speak, rather that the right thing to do would have been to stay away.
The fact that he DID speak tells you that it's probably correct that blocking free speech is more of a liberal disease. Can't see Clinton allowing a dissenter to speak at her convention...

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Nikola014

As I can see it, the only ones applauding Cruz are hillary's supporters.

And the people who actually sees Trump for what he really is a clueless bully that isn't fit to run for the job of dogcatcher.

So, I would say the Republican Party is pretty united, if you exclude a couple of boys whose ego's are hurt because they lost fair and square.

When all the important republicans stay away from the convention it's hardly a sign that they are united.

Important Republicans lol.. Like Mittens and the Bushes, or greedy Kasich?
You are amusing, I'll give you that!

Cruz has every right to be angry at Trump.

…and I don't blame him for not supporting Trump.

Trump is a ghastly odious person


Trump insulted the guys wife and father

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: defiythelie

Trump is a mistake at being the GOP candidate...how?

Trump is a mistake at being POTUS is blatantly ridiculous.

Where exactly has Trump failed the GOP by being the candidate the people have chosen?

Trump is a mistake for the GOP because Trump will not get the GOP in the White House. Trump has brought in more far-right/alt-right to the GOP which will only push Conservatives out and split the part into two.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5

On a second read, I see they probably mean the convention committee provided Collins' remarks to the Business Insider.

Which brings me back to my original thought...why the heII would she include the endorsement in her own prepared speech if she didn't intend to endorse him??

Very, very odd.

For clarity..Cuz I heard CNN discuss convention speech process ad nauseum last night after the Cruz debacle..

(1) The person giving the speech prepares a speech
(2) They give it to the convention committee for final approval and editing
(3) Like with Cruz...the Convention Committee adds/edits in an endorsement of Donald Trump as standard.
(4) The final speech after editing is given/returned to the Speech Giver and given to the tele-prompter folks and distributed to media in transcript form.

originally posted by: Willtell
Cruz has every right to be angry at Trump.

…and I don't blame him for not supporting Trump.

Trump is a ghastly odious person


Trump insulted the guys wife and father

Agree on all of the above 100% ... I would only add that while Trump is a crazy idiot...cruz looks like he actually believes his own crazy.. Both scary in their own way.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

That is not what happened. Rather than taking heat during the primary season by simply saying, "I will support everyone except Donald Trump. He's not going to win, so that won't matter." No, Cruz didn't think Trump could win so he signed the pledge. What good is a pledge if you don't keep it? How about our military all take their oath and then say, "Um, no, I don't want to go over there." No, you pledge and sign a document, and you do your duty and maintain your honor. Those who do not are dishonorably discharged and tainted for life when asked on a job application about military service and they put down 'Dishonorable discharge". Ted signed the pledge and broke it. His word means nothing, so everything he said can be viewed through that lack of honor.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Nikola014

As I can see it, the only ones applauding Cruz are hillary's supporters.

And the people who actually sees Trump for what he really is a clueless bully that isn't fit to run for the job of dogcatcher.

So, I would say the Republican Party is pretty united, if you exclude a couple of boys whose ego's are hurt because they lost fair and square.

When all the important republicans stay away from the convention it's hardly a sign that they are united.

Important Republicans lol.. Like Mittens and the Bushes, or greedy Kasich?
You are amusing, I'll give you that!

The RNC has been a riot so far...Last night was like watching a room full of cannibals realize one of their own was bleeding and then swarming like piranha.

All Cruz had to utter was "Vote your Conscience"! ...Gotta love it.

So...the New Trumpian GOP can decide that Cruz, Bush, Kasich and the like..no longer belong to their club..

But hungry cannibals need to stay fed...the party will continue to get smaller and smaller..