Did God Abandon Us?

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Go ahead and sit in hostile judgment of Almighty Yehovah God as long as you wish.

It won't help you.

It won't help the suffering.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God on all things.

I do know that He has set up a context wherein there is a robust amount of free-will but not unlimited free-will. And that does allow for authentic Love.

I know that for there to be the possibility of authentic Love, there MUST be an authentic choice between Love and non-love.

I know that non-love results in suffering.

I know that He feels the suffering of every sparrow that falls.

I know that He has the hairs of all our heads numbered.

I know that His Love is intense and infinite.

I know that your perspective is far too finite and ignorant to be sitting in hostile judgment of God.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Go ahead and sit in hostile judgment of Almighty Yehovah God as long as you wish.

It won't help you.

It won't help the suffering.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God on all things.

I do know that He has set up a context wherein there is a robust amount of free-will but not unlimited free-will. And that does allow for authentic Love.

I know that for there to be the possibility of authentic Love, there MUST be an authentic choice between Love and non-love.

I know that non-love results in suffering.

I know that He feels the suffering of every sparrow that falls.

I know that He has the hairs of all our heads numbered.

I know that His Love is intense and infinite.

I know that your perspective is far too finite and ignorant to be sitting in hostile judgment of God.

BO....do you always speak for God?

He would like you to stop now.

He said your proliferation of his abilities is misguided.

He says you are also sitting in judgment of others beliefs and ONLY HE gets to do that.

He is using me to tell you this.

Sorry for your luck and god bless or not depending on how mad he is at you right now.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Great record of being WRONG, there.

You do seem to have a LOT of company in this era, though.

Or...maybe you're WRONG. Just saying. Wonder why I have so much company in this "era"??? Probably cause Saul/Paul told you it would be that way. Do you actually follow the Beatitudes?

originally posted by: awareness10
No. The God of this world is not 'God'. And nothing here is what it seems. If you feel the need to bow down to any God, you're going backwards, not forwards.

lotsa stars there, how could someone be so wrong...

a reply to: wdkirk

LOLOLOLOL

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Do you follow the beatitudes?

I earnestly endeavor to.

By His Grace, I seem to manage, to do so, except when I don't.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Go ahead and sit in hostile judgment of Almighty Yehovah God as long as you wish.

It won't help you.

It won't help the suffering.

I don't pretend to know the mind of God on all things.


Yup. Because you can't ANSWER the questions most have posed on here. Nope, "Almighty God" has all the answers, so even if He commands something atrocious and evil, "hey, it's GOD commanding it, so who am I to question??" Right?

I do know that He has set up a context wherein there is a robust amount of free-will but not unlimited free-will. And that does allow for authentic Love.

I know that for there to be the possibility of authentic Love, there MUST be an authentic choice between Love and non-love.


]Oh, so we are all stuck in this messed up world, eaking out an existence of never ending futility...all so we can have AUTHENTIC love for Him? Um, ok.LOVE results in suffering. The most non-love I see, comes from Christians who profess to know "said God". Suffering comes a billion times a second on this planet every day...and it doesn't matter if you know Him or not. We ALL suffer....and we're suppose to give thanks for it. Whatever.

I know that He feels the suffering of every sparrow that falls.

REALLY??? Then, why the heck did He tell us to eat them..or hey, how bout this, wring their necks and sprinkle their blood on the altar? Oh wait, don't forget all those baby lambs that were taken to slaughter, and all the other animals that were. Bullcrap. A God that cares about every sparrow that falls to the ground (that One I can understand). But, He wouldn't also condone the killing of them. Yahweh is an imposter, and bloodthirsty.


I know that He has the hairs of all our heads numbered.

Um, ok...so, if he cares about the numbers of hair on our head's, then why can't He feed a starving child, or a homeless person who is so addicted to alcohol and drugs he can't stop shaking (which I try to help).

I know that His Love is intense and infinite.


So do I. Felt it many times. It's not Yahweh, though. He's a jerk.


I know that your perspective is far too finite and ignorant to be sitting in hostile judgment of God.

Annnnd......there is that condescending crap again, as you sit in hostile judgment of ME (disguising it as the same ole Christian platitudes of "sitting in hostile judgment of God). Do you know what I've realized about most "fundamental Christians". You are JUST LIKE Yahweh...and JUST LIKE Paul. You are nothing like Jesus. We become what we behold and worship.

a reply to: TheChuckster

Sorry it took me so long to realize what was going on.

The mirror image was a presentation of the God of Deism.

Deism (/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/[1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/), derived from the Latin word "deus" meaning "god", is a theological/philosophical position that combines the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge with the conclusion that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator of the universe.

Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment—especially in Britain, France, Germany and the United States—who, raised as Christians, believed in one God but became disenchanted with organized religion and notions such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy and the supernatural interpretation of events such as miracles. Included in those influenced by its ideas were leaders of the American and French Revolutions
...
classical view takes what is called a "cold" approach by asserting the non-intervention of deity in the natural behavior of the created universe, while the modern deist formulation can be either "warm" (citing an involved deity) or cold, non-interventionist creator.

So you should probably take it with a grain of salt. The non-interventionist god intervened to present himself. That's like the Pastafarian god revealing himself to me one time. One thing and another and I'm not Pastafarian still and don't plan on being one. (not that there's anything wrong with Pastafarians, they do good works like attempting to keep religion out of the Science classroom).

all im saying is, priests get awfully nervous if you kick them out of a plane without a parachute.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Do you follow the beatitudes?

I earnestly endeavor to.

By His Grace, I seem to manage, to do so, except when I don't.

Matthew 5:1-12New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

The Beatitudes

5 When Jesus[a] saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. 2 Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5 “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.

8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


Are you merciful to animals? (they count in what He said)

I think Jesus (Yahshua) was so misunderstood, because He taught things that NO ONE had ever heard about God...the REAL One. He was probably an Essene, or of some other sect of Jews that weren't part of the blood sacrificial system.
RIGHTEOUS means "being right, moral, upright". Do you think killing things (be it human or animal) is UPRIGHT or MORAL? No, it's not.
Does a god who orders genocide, slavery, or death for the slightest infraction sound "pure in heart" or "merciful"?? Does he sound like a "peacemaker"??

So, WHY do you think Jesus would teach that you are blessed when people revile you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely? He even told His disciples that they would be thrown out of the synagogues and those who did so would think they were offering a "service to god". WHY?? Because, Jesus taught in opposition to Yahweh...He taught the people that the one they "thought" was god...Yahweh...WASN'T. There was a "Higher God"...the Most High God...and Yahweh was the one who usurped Him.

go back and read on......

God has only 2000 years of the law......so all the kill this and stone them was to show to sin our fallen hearts have....caananites were evil bass turds....this is why we are not under the law now....but we know what sin is....and we follow law but are friggin law proof. supernatural, huh!!

next....the God Jesus served....just go read more bud, ya got some searching to accomplish....you know, to grasp the big pic it's in the details.....which will surprise ya.....talk to Jesus....a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
go back and read on......

God has only 2000 years of the law......so all the kill this and stone them was to show to sin our fallen hearts have....caananites were evil bass turds....this is why we are not under the law now....but we know what sin is....and we follow law but are friggin law proof. supernatural, huh!!

next....the God Jesus served....just go read more bud, ya got some searching to accomplish....you know, to grasp the big pic it's in the details.....which will surprise ya.....talk to Jesus....a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Sigh....no, all the "kill this and stone this" was to show the heart of a fake deity. A true God would not need to stone people or whathaveyou, to prove a point. Ask yourself this question? WHY didn't Jesus act like the god of the OT (Yahweh)?
Perhaps Jesus didn't represent that god. Jesus didn't even follow the laws of Yahweh. Not a single one of them. So, how do Christians squirm around that one? They do it by saying Jesus IS God. Oh, how convenient. Now Jesus gets to "change the rules", because He was "God in the flesh". NO. He was "The Word made Flesh". The TRUE WORD of the Most High God, who nobody had a fricking clue about.
I need to search??? I've been searching my whole life, sir. The big pic IS in the details. Nothing surprises me anymore...honestly.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Sooooooooooo . . .

You garner one of the coveted slots in an upper management position in the 5 year old Mars colony.

You arrive and discover there's some highly classified aspects of the colony and the power structure that you weren't briefed on ahead of time.

The whole colony is a personal fifedom of a $trillionaire. He has the full backing of earth's global government to rule Mars as he sees fit.

And, it turns out . . . he has some very strange ways that strike you as exceedingly arbitrary, dysfunctional, even cruel.

Yet, 95% of everyone else affirms that really he's not cruel or dysfunctional or arbitrary--just that you can't really see that yet and may not for several years because it takes that long to really understand the whole context, motives, strategies etc.

However, being you . . .

you decide the 3rd week there to march into his open door policy and read him the riot act for being such an arbitrary, dysfunctional and cruel jerk.

He patiently listens to you . . . and notes that given your personality profile, he expected such an outrageous outburst from you--even sooner, actually.

However, he gives you 30 days to adjust your attitude.

He refuses to "prove" he's not cruel, arbitrary or dysfunctional. He merely asserts that he is not.

Of course, being you,

you are 100% convinced that all your observations have taken all the important factors into consideration and that your assessment is right regardless of 95% of the Mars old timers saying you just don't understand.

The end of the 30 days rolls around and you are escorted into the Boss's office again--flanked by two burly security guards.

He asks you several questions but quickly determines that your attitude has actually gotten worse instead of better.

He notes that there's not another shuttle back to earth for another year. Further, that he's not willing to have you contaminate the harmony of the colony during that year.

He offers you solitary confinement but only if your attitude improves within 24 hours.

You, being you,

tell him to go . . . himself.

Him being him . . . decides that the protection of the colony from your virulent attitude is too priceless and that solitary confinement is too good for you.

So at the end of the 24 hours . . . he does something else with you . . . and your last thoughts and screams are about how pristinely prissy and justified you and your perspective were.

And he shakes his head about what a waste of a tolerably good brain.

Here's some more "food for thought"...
Why do you think Jesus said, (in the infamous Lord's prayer)
to pray "thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"???
Maybe cause His (the Most High's) will ISN'T done on this earth, as it's done in Heaven.
Maybe that's the reason we need to pray FOR IT TO BE DONE HERE. Maybe, just maybe, the TRUE GOD ISN'T the God of this world. Maybe, just maybe, something else is. Something truly evil. Maybe, just maybe, that's why Jesus had to be born and completely filled with the Spirit of Truth (the Ruach Qodesh). Maybe, just maybe, that's why when Jesus ascended back to the Father, He told them that IF HE DIDN'T go back, the Holy Spirit wouldn't be released into this world....(this 3d realm that is immeasurably f'd up). He broke the power that the evil one had over this planet, and released the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, so that all those who truly came to Him, would be able to tell the TRUTH when LIES are told on this planet.
Just maybe.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

100% of the tribes Yehovah told the Israeli's to totally exterminate

had fallen angel DNA polluting them. That was intolerable to Yehovah because of the consequences that would naturally flow from that, for the rest of the world, were it left in force.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Sooooooooooo . . .

You garner one of the coveted slots in an upper management position in the 5 year old Mars colony.

You arrive and discover there's some highly classified aspects of the colony and the power structure that you weren't briefed on ahead of time.

The whole colony is a personal fifedom of a $trillionaire. He has the full backing of earth's global government to rule Mars as he sees fit.

And, it turns out . . . he has some very strange ways that strike you as exceedingly arbitrary, dysfunctional, even cruel.

Yet, 95% of everyone else affirms that really he's not cruel or dysfunctional or arbitrary--just that you can't really see that yet and may not for several years because it takes that long to really understand the whole context, motives, strategies etc.

However, being you . . .

you decide the 3rd week there to march into his open door policy and read him the riot act for being such an arbitrary, dysfunctional and cruel jerk.

He patiently listens to you . . . and notes that given your personality profile, he expected such an outrageous outburst from you--even sooner, actually.

However, he gives you 30 days to adjust your attitude.

He refuses to "prove" he's not cruel, arbitrary or dysfunctional. He merely asserts that he is not.

Of course, being you,

you are 100% convinced that all your observations have taken all the important factors into consideration and that your assessment is right regardless of 95% of the Mars old timers saying you just don't understand.

The end of the 30 days rolls around and you are escorted into the Boss's office again--flanked by two burly security guards.

He asks you several questions but quickly determines that your attitude has actually gotten worse instead of better.

He notes that there's not another shuttle back to earth for another year. Further, that he's not willing to have you contaminate the harmony of the colony during that year.

He offers you solitary confinement but only if your attitude improves within 24 hours.

You, being you,

tell him to go . . . himself.

Him being him . . . decides that the protection of the colony from your virulent attitude is too priceless and that solitary confinement is too good for you.

So at the end of the 24 hours . . . he does something else with you . . . and your last thoughts and screams are about how pristinely prissy and justified you and your perspective were.

And he shakes his head about what a waste of a tolerably good brain.

You're funny. If that's the "god" you serve. More power to ya. I've encountered God. He's not like that...at all.
But, you keep on keeping on. I'm not afraid of that "god" anymore. He's a phony, a fake, and a liar.


Let me ask you ONE question, Mr. "Bo (Christian)". With your nice play on words to your avatar. Do you eat animals?
Cause let me tell you my take on that....if you DO, then it's because your "god" told you, you have the right to. Now, here's the way I see it...either "he" cares about those two sparrows falling to the ground and croaking. OR...he doesn't.
You can't have it both ways. Do you want to know the "fruits" of being told "hey, I've given you all of them critters to do with as you want...eat up sonny". Watch "Earthlings" on youtube. Then, come back and talk to me about how "just" your Baal is. (which mean's "Lord", by the way). The way I see it is, if he'd just been a little more DIRECT in his orders on things (like don't hurt another sentient being), we WOULDN'T DO IT. Or, maybe we would. Men wouldn't be jerks to women, if Paul didn't teach that we are subservient to men. Or, maybe men would. But noooo, said "god" couldn't actually write a book, through "humans" to show them actual respect for ALL of his creation.
Another question....do you think said "god" could have been a little clearer in his directions? How bout, "don't kill anything with the life blood in it", or "don't treat women as subservient to men", or how bout just being a little CLEARER when it comes to all the divisions you see in the "said church" today?
Oh, guess he couldn't. So, here we are. Arguing as usual and not getting anywhere. We sure as heck aren't anything remotely like the Savior we all profess to believe in. You know anyone like Jesus? I don't. I know some good hearted people (some of them not even Christian), but your god is going to send them all to hell for not believing in Jesus. Doesn't matter to your god is that person is merciful, righteous, pure in heart, what have you.
It doesn't matter if HE (god) doesn't follow those beatitudes himself...just that all of us do. Which, by the way, you fail miserably at.
I don't care if I fail at them. I'm not a Christian anymore, lol.

And my brain is not a waste. I use it. All the time. I just don't agree with you, so you had to be snarky and rude...just like I expected. It's no wonder the rest of the world is turned off by Christianity. Christians are the reason for that...not Jesus.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Maybe, just maybe, that's why Jesus had to be born and completely filled with the Spirit of Truth (the Ruach Qodesh). Maybe, just maybe, that's why when Jesus ascended back to the Father, He told them that IF HE DIDN'T go back, the Holy Spirit wouldn't be released into this world....(this 3d realm that is immeasurably f'd up). He broke the power that the evil one had over this planet, and released the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, so that all those who truly came to Him, would be able to tell the TRUTH when LIES are told on this planet.

Maybe, just maybe that qualifies as Christianity, or Nazareenism or whatever the Gospels only people call themselves.
ETA
oh, duh, "Gospels Only"

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: GBP/JPY

100% of the tribes Yehovah told the Israeli's to totally exterminate

had fallen angel DNA polluting them. That was intolerable to Yehovah because of the consequences that would naturally flow from that, for the rest of the world, were it left in force.

god all but raped a woman to produce the messiah but had to drown the earth because angels were producing demigod offspring? doesnt that strike you as a little hypocritical?

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: GBP/JPY

100% of the tribes Yehovah told the Israeli's to totally exterminate

had fallen angel DNA polluting them. That was intolerable to Yehovah because of the consequences that would naturally flow from that, for the rest of the world, were it left in force.

Oh, but how could god be eradicating that horrible Nephilim bloodline while simultaneously keeping some of those pesky Nephilim women alive so the Israelites could take them as spoils of war and rape them? Oh, and they were CHILDREN, not grown women.
See, I spent 6 years researching the whole Genesis 6/Nephilim stuff.
Doesn't make any sense that your god would genocide a whole group of people, YET allow the men to take the virgin females as wives, if they had tainted DNA.
Kinda blows a hole in the whole "Nephilim" gene pool thingy...don't ya think?

Numbers 31:17-18King James Version (KJV)

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Maybe, just maybe, that's why Jesus had to be born and completely filled with the Spirit of Truth (the Ruach Qodesh). Maybe, just maybe, that's why when Jesus ascended back to the Father, He told them that IF HE DIDN'T go back, the Holy Spirit wouldn't be released into this world....(this 3d realm that is immeasurably f'd up). He broke the power that the evil one had over this planet, and released the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, so that all those who truly came to Him, would be able to tell the TRUTH when LIES are told on this planet.

Maybe, just maybe that qualifies as Christianity, or Nazareenism or whatever the Gospels only people call themselves.
ETA
oh, duh, "Gospels Only"


LOL...yea, sticking with Jesus helps you see this stuff. Paul is the founder of Christianity.
What's so sad, is most Christians believe in Jesus, yet mostly follow Paul. Oh, and YHWH, too. You can't mix Jesus with any of the other two...or you get what you see today in Christendom.
I truly believe Jesus was an anomaly. He was born into the Judaic people, not so much for the reason that the "Jews" were God's chosen one's...but, because the usurper (YHWH) had his main stronghold there. I kinda think YHWH is the one who wants to be worshipped as "The Most High". Makes sense to me more and more.