Black ex-cop on the real truth about race and policing

"On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force. Based on what I experienced as a black man serving in the St. Louis Police Department for five years, I agree with him. I worked with men and women who became cops for all the right reasons — they really wanted to help make their communities better. And I worked with people like the president of my police academy class, who sent out an email after President Obama won the 2008 election that included the statement, "I can't believe I live in a country full of ni**er lovers!!!!!!!!" He patrolled the streets in St. Louis in a number of black communities with the authority to act under the color of law.

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Found this article yesterday and i thought it is interesting to hear something from the "inside", about that whole police problem in the USA.
For me as an european it was a very informative view from an afro-american ex cop on the whole thing. For many of us europeans it simply looks as if the police is decimating the US population, and we just can shake our heads about such a behaviour.
I wanted to leave this here, because it is really worth to read it.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

"On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

Blanket statements like that are part of the problem. It isn't like that everywhere. But you'd think it was according to 'reports'.

What reports you ask, why our good ol' main stream ones...

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Thought-provoking article

Every officer in the country should be wearing a body camera that remains activated throughout any interaction they have with the public while on duty. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy for officers when they are on duty and in service to the public. Citizens must also have the right to record police officers as they carry out their public service, provided that they are at a safe distance, based on the circumstances, and not interfering. Witnessing an interaction does not by itself constitute interference.

^^^ That's where it ought to be taking us. UK police have been wearing them and it'll become the norm in the US in the future. Cameras make people think twice and prevent the types of knee-jerk violence referred to in the article. They can keep all sides clean and protect officers from allegations too.

if Williams is near to being right about 15/15/70, cameras would reduce that 70% because peer pressure would be counter-acted by the 'third witness' of the camera's potential audience. People (cops are people) would be less likely to turn a blind eye to casual brutality or prejudice when they might have to justify it later on. If it was possible to reduce that claimed figure, the culture of this alleged corruption would change and move away from it.

a reply to: intrptr
"It isn't like that everywhere."

That´s right. Especially outside of the USA. I don´t know about China or North Corea´s police, but...

To be serious, this is an US wide problem. Maybe there are towns and little cities where the police is working with the people, not against them. But this seems to be only the exception which confirms the rule.
Believe me, if someone would force me to take a journey to the US, the cops would be the ones i would be the most afraid of. This is for many people here a reason not to travel to the USA. Not joking!

Now lets speak to primary causality of this overall dynamic explained fully completely and accuraely in the article you provided a link to.

You see everything was touched uopn in terms of TANGIBLE IMPACTS WE CAN ALL SEE.....but it is in some ways lacking as to impetus and dialog speaking to overall dynamic causality.

The Ameican Police departments on a National scale have been ATTACKED in an organised militant type manner and have been forced into a state of existance we know as "The Thin Blue Line"....this is a MODIFIED STOCKHOLM SYNDROME state.....this has been ENGINEERED and this dynamic SUPERCEDES RACIAL ISSUES COMPLETELY AND ENCOMPASSES EVERYONE.

The American People on a National scale have been ATTACKED in an organised militant type manner and populous demographic groups have been targeted and manipulated via ENGINEERED ARTIFICIALLY CATALYSED AND CREATED LEGESLATIONS .....the "feeling this is race based".....is based on tangible reality and numbers......those facts are undeniable......but we must DIG DEEPER AND GET BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE ISSUE TO DETERMINE IF THESE TANGIBLE IMPACTS WERE CATALYSED BY RACISM OR BY SOMEONE OR SOME GROUP WITH A BIGGER AGENDA.

First populous demographics are fiscally disnfranchised....they are cultivated.....they are manipulated enmasse via slanted legeslation which doesnt propely imprison or treat them encouraged to re-offend especially with drug /gun/property theft related crimes , this impact THEY SEE as sympathtic to them actually is designed to make them lose respect for the Legal System...just as on the mirrored side of the dynamic the police lose respect for the system when they see the sam criminals back on the streets in days back in positions to re-offend....

You first get a large sample size of inflammatory controversial cases.....you build a Tactical Dynamic Template of the entire processes by which thse issues were manifested or came to life.You have to pin down the laws being used to "accomodate" this dynamic sequencing......you need to go back CENTURIES and pin down the long term planning and evolution of these legeslations and pin down WHO introduced them and who paid to support the politicians who inroduced them then you pin down the prosecutors and investigators who are evidenced to be fully utilising this dynamic then you pin down the Judges who do the same,then you pin down the lawyers who are most often involved then you go to the CIVIC level and find the Mayors et al who use Municipal By-Laws and their impacts to support this engineered dynamic......



I see a lot of things going on here........but NONE OF IT IS RACIALLY CATALYSED.....it is SITUATIONALLY CATALYSED.

The single most impactfull point is this.......all this murder-by-Cop STOPS when people figure out HOW AND WHY no one can sue the Dept for 100 million bucks when we see a murder-by-cop on the internet......lol.....you see folks who want a united and strong America.....its easy to define a starting point...I just provided it.....what lgeslation and what Judges are impeding this Civil process????...oh yes we need to force invstigations and prosecution but mor IMPORTANTLY W MUST PLOUGH THE ROAD FOR CIVIVL LITIGATION TO BE ACTIONED.....because THIS IS HOW WE STOP THE KILLINGS....and this is how we show this is NOT A RACIALLY MOTIVATED ISSUE.


Just wait till the POLICE who have been manipulated enmasse ...AND....the populous demographics who have been manipulated enmasse COME TOGETHR AND FOCUS ON WHO HAS BEEN SCREWING WITH THEM AND THEIR NATIONAL IDENTITY AND SECURITY. Hopfully we see some OLDE WEST STYLE American Justice....the kind we saw BEFORE TPTB had the system completely rigged.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

To be serious, this is an US wide problem.

Rubbish... how would you know anyway, 'being a European and all'. I live here, I know its not like you say, its just promoted that way.

Seems something strange is going on with LEOs both in the US and Britian. In the US they seem to have it in for blacks, in the UK they seem to give a free pass to muslims to do as they wish. Strange strange world.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter

"On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force. Based on what I experienced as a black man serving in the St. Louis Police Department for five years, I agree with him. I worked with men and women who became cops for all the right reasons — they really wanted to help make their communities better. And I worked with people like the president of my police academy class, who sent out an email after President Obama won the 2008 election that included the statement, "I can't believe I live in a country full of ni**er lovers!!!!!!!!" He patrolled the streets in St. Louis in a number of black communities with the authority to act under the color of law.

continue

Found this article yesterday and i thought it is interesting to hear something from the "inside", about that whole police problem in the USA.
For me as an european it was a very informative view from an afro-american ex cop on the whole thing. For many of us europeans it simply looks as if the police is decimating the US population, and we just can shake our heads about such a behaviour.
I wanted to leave this here, because it is really worth to read it.

This is interesting and I tend to agree even here in Australia but perhaps the percentages lend themselves to respective locations across the country from metropolitan, rural and very remote.

I worked many years in very remote areas and found the junior police (large turnaround) didn't agree with simply doing the job.

I have since retired from policing but still have poor recollections of my colleagues who worked with me criticizing me directly and indirectly and fronted the bosses on irregular occasions due to my method of policing. No violence.

I was described as a 'N' lovin 'C' at times simply because I embraced culture and beliefs and was given an Aboriginal name. I only once drew a firearm after 25 years due to imminent foreseen serious injury or death . My weapons of choice generally were, reasoning, a rolled cigarette and the promise of a good meal. Outside I was calm while my guts were churning at times.

I ended up an instructor before retiring but found that the past policing issues regarding the way I conducted myself followed me simply because I treated criminals as would be expected of their families and how I would expect myself or a member of my family to be treated in an arresting circumstance. Tragically I found upon retirement that my methodology was left wanting.

I did have some former partners later come up to me and apologise for their behaviour towards me.

Now enough of me and to the point I'm trying to get across. There were more than 15 percent who toed the line. But sadly, they were the quiet ones. As indicated in the quoted study more tended to lean towards action and confrontation but what I probably found more enlightening were the officers who took immediate offence to cheeky comments and actions and became aggressive.

I was guilty because I became quiet and tended to lean towards officers of the same disposition when working. The 'Alpha' boys and girls, sure, got more arrests and charges but were often subjected to investigations and disciplinary charges. The popular men and women were across the board with their apprehension or arrest records. I simply mentally distinguished myself I think by getting the right person and following through with a thorough investigation.

Now where I worked was unique and I adjusted to culture and beliefs. Sadly, what I see in the US is no culture for the African Americans to demonstrate. No pride other than living in the past regarding slavery and mistreatment and a total understandable disregard for uniformed officers. Flip the coin and the LEO's are on the defensive with the idea that the best form of defence is attack. And so it goes on.

My thoughts only.

Kind regards as always,

Bally

I'm a medically retired cop from Ca. I had to retire due to a broken back/neck after fighting a Pitbull at a meth lab. I've been retired 12 years.
While I was on "Light Duty" for an injury, I wrote grants to get Federal $$$. In 1996, I had written a grant that would provide body cameras, batteries and software that allowed whatever was caught by camera to be played at a "Master Station". It was deemed to be "too intrusive" not for the cops but for the Citizen. The Citizens 'right-to-Privacy' overrode the action caught on camera. The other big 'non-positive' was that The Public (Those who The Cops work for; Cops' employers) thought that the officer/wearer could just disable the camera when wearing it. When I explained the "Master Station" the naysayers started in on the "The Supervisors are the ones We need to worry about"

It should be noted that The City was just a few years from leading the league in murders per Capita..

Now here is My *** Personal Feelings *** (according to My Psychiatrist that helped Me through My PTSD; I shouldn't keep in My personal feelings and I should just blurt them out when I feel it appropriate)..

I worked through "The Crack War" (a tangent of the bigger farce "War on Drugs") that is when the cops incarcerated the Urban (read: Black or "other"; non-affluent; non-voter) for making more $$$ by selling "Crack" (coc aine "base" smokeable form of coc aine) than the sub-Urban(White; affluent; voter) folks who used the same drug, but in a powdered form (coc aine hydrochloride HCL)
Those folks are just getting out now...

Proud Member of LEAP-Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DerBeobachter

"On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

Blanket statements like that are part of the problem. It isn't like that everywhere. But you'd think it was according to 'reports'.

What reports you ask, why our good ol' main stream ones...

And there is never any truth to them, we know. I mean santa clause came around last cristmas and gave me the inside info.

it told me nothing like this ever happens. Stop listening to the MSM and sing jingle bells more often.

I've surely never seen or heard of police being corrupt on 40 odd years.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: intrptr
"It isn't like that everywhere."

That´s right. Especially outside of the USA. I don´t know about China or North Corea´s police, but...

To be serious, this is an US wide problem. Maybe there are towns and little cities where the police is working with the people, not against them. But this seems to be only the exception which confirms the rule.
Believe me, if someone would force me to take a journey to the US, the cops would be the ones i would be the most afraid of. This is for many people here a reason not to travel to the USA. Not joking!

Ahh start at the border. You are a criminal element if you are a white man, who just wants to travel. Been there, done that. repeatedly molested, I mean searched, detained for hours, kept in a room unable to ambulate without permission... great holiday that was..

but it was the attitude more than anything I remember. Sneering, smug, absolute cretinous thugs. Keeping America safe.

originally posted by: one4all

Can't read, too many caps.

speak slower...

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DerBeobachter

To be serious, this is an US wide problem.

Rubbish... how would you know anyway, 'being a European and all'. I live here, I know its not like you say, its just promoted that way.

Im Australian. I see it too.

Why so apologetic ??

a reply to: bally001

Mate, that made me smile. It must be hard as hell to deal with such a different culture. I tend to even speak similar to local Nyungar folk when I am with them. Been asked more than once if I grew up with them. Which I did, my cousins are Nyungar. But it's instinctive to me, and has saved my arse from more than one gloffing I am sure. Because it is with respect, not anything else.

But outback? man that'd be hard. kudos to you for havin g the respect and grasp of the situation hey.. the young blokes will always be all gun and no bullets. it takes the gun with bullets to not shoot..

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DerBeobachter

"On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

Blanket statements like that are part of the problem. It isn't like that everywhere. But you'd think it was according to 'reports'.

What reports you ask, why our good ol' main stream ones...

And there is never any truth to them, we know. I mean santa clause came around last cristmas and gave me the inside info.

it told me nothing like this ever happens. Stop listening to the MSM and sing jingle bells more often.

I've surely never seen or heard of police being corrupt on 40 odd years.

Disingenuous statements from a changeling. The corruption at the top is systemic. And in the police ranks, too.
You;ve never seen it because they cover it up.

Read a book by a New York cop titled "Serpico". Or see the movie, not as good. Whistle blowers are small voices.

a reply to: one4all

Litigation and suing the police does nothing but harm the taxpayers. Where do you think legal awards or settlements comes from? The taxpayers. Your taking money out of my pocket to pay someone else. What is really needed is an independent goverment sanctioned citizens court, something like a grand jury, that can hold police that step over the line criminally accountable. If police know there are criminal consequences for inappropriate actions, that will curb a lot of these behavioral issues.

You don't financially punish the taxpayers for some idiot cop's criminal behavior. You put him/her in jail.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DerBeobachter

To be serious, this is an US wide problem.

Rubbish... how would you know anyway, 'being a European and all'. I live here, I know its not like you say, its just promoted that way.

But if i compare the kills done by police in the US to other nations in the world, it seems that it can´t be just a problem that occurs rarely, only "here and there sometimes", in areas of the US.
I mean, the numbers don´t lie, and if this is done only in a few areas of the US, "because that happens almost nowhere but in the mass media", the cops in this areas must be more trigger happy than i thought. Doing the dirty work for the whole nation, wow.

And you´re right, you live there and can tell me how it is there in the area where you live, or in areas that you know.
I live in europe and can tell you that nowhere in europe such a mass of killings by police happens. Even not in "Evil Putins Kingdom" or the new east european neonazi Reichs.

I didn´t want to offend you or US citizens, just wanted to say how it looks for us, and how it looks if we compare the US police problems to police problems in europe, for example.

By now i don´t even you killing cops problem is a racial thing, because you only have to be poor. If i am right more white US citizens get killed by cops than people of any other skincolor. That is because there are more white people than people of other skincolor or "race". But if you look, never rich whites are murdered by your cops, as never rich blacks or rich hispanics or rich whatevers are murdered by your cops.

It´s all because the war of the rich against the rest of the world. Your police doesn´t serve the people, it serves the Falcons, the NeoCons, the US established multinational corporations, the economy, the politicians, the Banksters, the prison industry, the rich and only because of that powerful. That seems to be the problem, and because you in the US started with that "way of life", it´s worst in the US.

a reply to: DerBeobachter
Now i have some other questions.
Here they tell us now that it was only the one perpetrator who became blown up. That´s the next question, why did they have to blow him up? Isn´t that just an act of revenge? It looks like this!

But back to the reports of several shooters, one on a roof, and the other in a garage, if i remember right. Yesterday i heard that they arrested a woman too.
Today it´s only the one dead attacker left, that for sure can´t tell us anything anymore.

Wasn´t there reports of 4 or 5 attackers?

If it was only him, he must have been very, very fast and very accurate.
Edit:
And the reports all said in the beginning that the attacker killed himself, till somehow it came to the light that it was a bomb.
Is it just bad journalism?

originally posted by: DerBeobachter


To be serious, this is an US wide problem. Maybe there are towns and little cities where the police is working with the people, not against them. But this seems to be only the exception which confirms the rule.

I disagree, maybe there are A LOT of towns, cities and counties where the police work well with their communities. I live in WA and the distance from my location to Chicago is like going from London to Moscow and there are huge differences between all of them. I do think cops have some issues, but cops in general will mirror the society they work in on a daily bases. If a cop is consistently dealing with bad people then there is a much higher risk that they treat good people the same and we see cases where a fast trigger finger happens with no visual need.

The bottom line is if you live in an area with social issues then the cops will be much harder there.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

I didn't realize how systemic the racism was/is, or perhaps I didn't want to know. But either way I know now and it is a very disturbing situation.