Muslim Man Slaughters 148 Young Christians, Americans Find Him And Kill Him

originally posted by: gps777
a reply to: Jonjonj


Yeah just like the untold people killed on our streets because they disagreed with them, lots of individual psychopaths, good job they all don`t run countries.


Way to miss the point.

Are you defending murder in the name of religion?

I already said a psychopath is a psychopath. Why are you ignoring the probable cause in religiouly motivated murders? Would you ignore the cause if it were repressed sexuality?

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Raggedyman

What about the 100 million dead because of atheism PolPot, Mao, Stalin, be good if atheism was abolished

Here we go again. "You atheists do it too. Neener Neener." Atheists have never claimed to hold all truth, as well as the moral and spiritual high ground for all humanity. Christianity does, and in its 2000 year reign of death, destruction, torture, and warmongering, it has shown the world one thing. That if it had the technology Stalin had to murder efficiently and en masse, its body count would be 100 times what it is today, if not more. Thank "God" that tech wasn't available for the vast majority of that 2000 years.

Some scholars claim that Genghis Khan murdered 40 million people on his rampage westwards, beat that Christians.

It is freaky it is a complicated tribal mentality, I keep telling you guys that.

We have our tribes here .

originally posted by: Jonjonj

Are you defending murder in the name of religion?

I think there is a massive difference in murder and defending others or ourselves.

I already said a psychopath is a psychopath. Why are you ignoring the probable cause in religiouly motivated murders? Would you ignore the cause if it were repressed sexuality?

And I already said your disregarding the untold deaths on our streets and other crimes done by those with no belief.

Where do you think...

Don`t rape

Don`t commit murder

Don`t steal

Don`t bear false witness

Don`t commit adultery

...comes from? its basis comes from the Bible, not Quran and certainly not Atheism.

All these things are the basis of our supposed civilised society, all these things are being committed on our streets daily by those of non belief.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Raggedyman

Scared to acknowledge atheists death toll, I can accept that religion and Christianity are evil

Not "scared" at all.

If you know religion and Christianity are evil, why do you follow such(if you indeed do)?

If you know atheism is so purely evil, has a death toll in the last century of over 100 million, why follow it, why follow that belief, that religion

Because good sir. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Nothing more, nothing less. It is simply a conclusion based on lack of evidence. People don't believe the tooth fairy doesn't exist. They lack evidence, and therefore any reason to believe such a creature exists. Atheism is neither good nor evil. It is simply a word that describes a person who lacks any belief in deities, based on lack of evidence. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

originally posted by: Klassified

Because good sir. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Nothing more, nothing less. It is simply a conclusion based on lack of evidence. People don't believe the tooth fairy doesn't exist. They lack evidence, and therefore any reason to believe such a creature exists. Atheism is neither good nor evil. It is simply a word that describes a person who lacks any belief in deities, based on lack of evidence. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes atheism is a belief
Atheism inspired over 100 million deaths, its as bad as religion, accept that simple fact
You have no moral high ground to claim
Atheism was used to manipulate people, Stalinism was a religion of atheism, refute away.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Klassified

Because good sir. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Nothing more, nothing less. It is simply a conclusion based on lack of evidence. People don't believe the tooth fairy doesn't exist. They lack evidence, and therefore any reason to believe such a creature exists. Atheism is neither good nor evil. It is simply a word that describes a person who lacks any belief in deities, based on lack of evidence. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes atheism is a belief
Atheism inspired over 100 million deaths, its as bad as religion, accept that simple fact
You have no moral high ground to claim
Atheism was used to manipulate people, Stalinism was a religion of atheism, refute away.

What difference does it make? In the end, we'll all find out what happens when the lights go out.

Why do you keep refusing to accept that religion has also been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths? Ok, I'll accept for the entire atheist society the deaths caused by Pol Pot and Stalin and every other atheist world leader. Happy? Now can you accept that religion did the same?

a reply to: Rosinitiate

You mean like they have tried to do in virtually every communist country for the last 80 years with the accompanying mass exterminations of fellow human beings to the tune of over 100 million murdered by thier own communist governemnts? They were not killing hundreds of millions for religious reasons. Hint it is the nature of man and unrestrained evil that are the problems not religion. Even if you managed to get rid of all religion communism shows us man will find other reasons to visit atrocities and death on innocent fellow humans. ...just sayin.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Klassified

Because good sir. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Nothing more, nothing less. It is simply a conclusion based on lack of evidence. People don't believe the tooth fairy doesn't exist. They lack evidence, and therefore any reason to believe such a creature exists. Atheism is neither good nor evil. It is simply a word that describes a person who lacks any belief in deities, based on lack of evidence. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes atheism is a belief
Atheism inspired over 100 million deaths, its as bad as religion, accept that simple fact
You have no moral high ground to claim
Atheism was used to manipulate people, Stalinism was a religion of atheism, refute away.

What a crock of donkey dung. At least you're consistent. You keep throwing Round this 100 million number. Care to cite a source for that? I find it hilarious that when someone pointed out that Hitler claimed to be committing genocide in the name of Christ, you brushed it off as if it was the ranting of a madman who didn't really mean what he was saying. Likewise then, you have to afford the same irrational mindset to your alleged atheistic death squad scenario.

None of the 3 you cited were using Atheism as the basis for their political purges. And that's exactly what they were, political purges. They had absolutely nothing to do with their alleged lack of faith. We're talking about totalitarian dictators here. It was a show of power and polio cal purges of anyone who was viewed as opposing them or threatening to the maintenance of their power structure.

And no... Atheism isn't a belief system. It's the rejection of any creator entity or supernatural being associated with cult like activity.

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Klassified

Because good sir. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Nothing more, nothing less. It is simply a conclusion based on lack of evidence. People don't believe the tooth fairy doesn't exist. They lack evidence, and therefore any reason to believe such a creature exists. Atheism is neither good nor evil. It is simply a word that describes a person who lacks any belief in deities, based on lack of evidence. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes atheism is a belief
Atheism inspired over 100 million deaths, its as bad as religion, accept that simple fact
You have no moral high ground to claim
Atheism was used to manipulate people, Stalinism was a religion of atheism, refute away.

What a crock of donkey dung. At least you're consistent. You keep throwing Round this 100 million number. Care to cite a source for that? I find it hilarious that when someone pointed out that Hitler claimed to be committing genocide in the name of Christ, you brushed it off as if it was the ranting of a madman who didn't really mean what he was saying. Likewise then, you have to afford the same irrational mindset to your alleged atheistic death squad scenario.

None of the 3 you cited were using Atheism as the basis for their political purges. And that's exactly what they were, political purges. They had absolutely nothing to do with their alleged lack of faith. We're talking about totalitarian dictators here. It was a show of power and polio cal purges of anyone who was viewed as opposing them or threatening to the maintenance of their power structure.

And no... Atheism isn't a belief system. It's the rejection of any creator entity or supernatural being associated with cult like activity.

Well done Pete
It was kinda obvious to everyone from all my posts

Kinda analogy of blaming religion for deaths

Well done you ...but it was kinda obvious

originally posted by: rollanotherone


Why do you keep refusing to accept that religion has also been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths? Ok, I'll accept for the entire atheist society the deaths caused by Pol Pot and Stalin and every other atheist world leader. Happy? Now can you accept that religion did the same?

I have not at any stage suggested religion was not responsible, I firmly believe that religion is responsible, totally agree

I do not and have not refused accepting religion is responsible for millions of deaths

How did you come to that conclusion

originally posted by: UKTruth
He should have been tried and then given free counselling to rehabilitate him so he could settle back into society. He could have been given a home and an job in America and become a valuable member of society. I'm sure that would be the right thing to do. Remember build bridges, not walls and love your enemies.

You owe me a new sarcasm detector cost that post made mine explode!

a reply to: Raggedyman

If there is no whatever dictating what is evil, say a moral supreme being, how is anything evil. If there is no God how is it different a flood kills twenty people vs a murderer? All forces of nature?

a reply to: Raggedyman

So that's a no, you can't support your 100 million murdered by atheists claim then? I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to sparkle motion.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Raggedyman

So that's a no, you can't support your 100 million murdered by atheists claim then? I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to sparkle motion.

Can you support the religion is responsible for many deaths
I could match you anyway you seem fit to throw punches

Atheism is at least an ideology responsible for deaths
Lets go

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Raggedyman

If there is no whatever dictating what is evil, say a moral supreme being, how is anything evil. If there is no God how is it different a flood kills twenty people vs a murderer? All forces of nature?

Not relevant, go write a thread, better yet take it to a recent thread already established

a reply to: Raggedyman

What basis does an atheists have to call anything evil? Simple question. How can a "made up" religion or anything else made up be evil. They want to throw the term around. In fact. Seems they want to be the supreme moral authority. Just want to know on what pretext. I never hear people say how that killer broke a social contract. It's always evil this or that? I didn't bring religion is evil into this thread. So there are other people you need to rebuke too.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
This world would be better if all religions were abolished.
Oh...did I say that out loud?

What about the 100 million dead because of atheism
PolPot, Mao, Stalin, be good if atheism was abolished

Silly argument, it never stops around here, it seems atheists are ignorant of their own leaders

They didn't do this in the name of atheism, however, so... strawman.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Raggedyman

What basis does an atheists have to call anything evil? Simple question. How can a "made up" religion or anything else made up be evil. They want to throw the term around. In fact. Seems they want to be the supreme moral authority. Just want to know on what pretext. I never hear people say how that killer broke a social contract. It's always evil this or that? I didn't bring religion is evil into this thread. So there are other people you need to rebuke too.

I don't have an answe to your question, go ask an atheist
I think religion can be evil, as can be atheism

I am not arguing one is better than the other
It's right that an atheist can judge a Christian by their nations and question a faith that is relevant to society
Though I think it allows Christians to question the atheist

Subjective morals according to their feelings I guess, don't understand it myself

originally posted by: dr1234

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
This world would be better if all religions were abolished.
Oh...did I say that out loud?

What about the 100 million dead because of atheism
PolPot, Mao, Stalin, be good if atheism was abolished

Silly argument, it never stops around here, it seems atheists are ignorant of their own leaders

They didn't do this in the name of atheism, however, so... strawman.

They were communist atheists, communists and atheists
So why did they do it, why did they kill 100 plus million, the devil made them do it
It's the question
No answers

originally posted by: gps777
originally posted by: Jonjonj

Are you defending murder in the name of religion?

I think there is a massive difference in murder and defending others or ourselves.

I already said a psychopath is a psychopath. Why are you ignoring the probable cause in religiouly motivated murders? Would you ignore the cause if it were repressed sexuality?

And I already said your disregarding the untold deaths on our streets and other crimes done by those with no belief.

Where do you think...

Don`t rape

Don`t commit murder

Don`t steal

Don`t bear false witness

Don`t commit adultery

...comes from? its basis comes from the Bible, not Quran and certainly not Atheism.

All these things are the basis of our supposed civilised society, all these things are being committed on our streets daily by those of non belief.

I think you missed the word "unless" at the end of those, there's normally a clause built in to any religion that says its all ok to do at certain times.

Just saying the way it is, I fully agree with all those but I don't need a religion to tell me its wrong, I have my own moral compass. I personally don't go with any religion, I have a very very bad history with religion personally that I have said on here before but I don't see why people cannot have a peaceful belief system, I just wish they all were like that but sadly certain people will follow without thought or care be that in a religion or not.

I just believe like many do that religion is a form of control and I personally don't need any more control above what is already forced on me by people who claim to be my peers. I don't need someone to tell me I can't have a gun because I actually don't want one because I have no use for one but I'm not allowed the choice. Obviously that rule has zero impact on me but its just one of a huge list of rules I already have to follow or basically leave society.

I just want to be the guy that does not want religion and not have some stigma tag attached to me, I myself am a peaceful pretty moral person who knows right from wrong, I don't need a tag for that...