Petition for Second Brexit Referendum Draws 2 Million Signatures

Those wanting a second referendum are not leftist so that is simply wrong, the majority whom voted out myself included may have done so wrongly because we blame the EU for the austerity measure's and the harm to the poor in our own nation, the right wing corporate globalization running rough shod over people's right's, the unfair PRO discrimination policy's which have suppressed the majority in favour of the minority's and immigrant's to the UK and the way that even if you are waiting for a house from the council for 15 years they give it to a Romanian whom has only been here for a few week's when it come's available while you are left in limbo or worse homeless.

We blame it for the thousand's of young, poor British kid's with no prospect's living on the street's, For the food bank's and for the closure of our public services and removal of our legal aid.

But of course we are wrong because it is the Tory's and New Labour whom are most responsible.


We really don't want totally out of Europe, we want our Democratic right's and OUR nation back
, We want a Government that CARES about our people, that does not cut education making it a class based system only open to the rich kid's and that makes certain we have the HOME GROWN skill's and opportunity's our kid's need NOT give those opportunity's to those from other nation's when our kid's are then left destitute.

SO the vote out was mainly LEFT WING despite the labour party being SEMI pro European and Corbyn for all his flaw's knew this, though he campaigned Half Heartedly to stay in he too saw that our kids are suffering because of Brussel's austerity measure's and of course the Tory's being only too willing to adopt them despite us then being one of the richest nation's in the world.

Guess what most Tory's wanted to stay it, the vote out was the disgruntled, betrayed and disillusioned core LABOUR voter's that made most of the difference and wanted to tell Europe how angry they are over the Austerity policy's.

Why do you think Cameron has resigned?, he is responsible for this and he is the prat that pushed through austerity on our own people taking the Remploy away, shutting down library's and making higher education ever more an opportunity only open to the wealthy all while saying he was doing the opposite, he ran this county with his ape minded friend Osbourn like a south American junta taking away right's and victimising the poor, harming the prospect's of the poorest kid's and taking away there right's in all but name by removing access to legal aid because they wanted England to be a rich man's tax haven.

They did it and they know they did.

Food bank's was the Tory's fault, David Cameron's big society which we know from history does not work and never will so he knew what he was doing.

I say two out of three is the only way to go but it has to be said that the re referendum petition has now passed the 3.5 million mark and is still gaining signature's making it the fastest growing large petition in recent if not all history in the UK parliament so under a democratic system it has to be granted not just considered, if it is not then parliament is acting even more like a dictatorship, this is a democracy after all but it is also being investigated for fraud and people signing it multiple time's so many of those signatory's will be struck off the petition and the final number may fall.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I agree it was not a left wing or right wing vote maybe a demographic vote but listen to Peter Hitchens here.



Darn he is right our politicians are so out of touch with the people and the fact both main parties are Blairites and basically the same We need a massive shuffle up now I do think we need it.
Like starting over again but we can do it we just gotta all fight tooth and nail to show the world what we have to offer.

If the US doesn't like the result of our vote in November, can we petition to have a second vote?

so I guess the regret is real ?

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: surfer_soul

Just one glaring problem with these online petitions. Anyone on the planet can hit it lol.

Yep, all you need is a postcode and an email address. the fact the site crash also points to the fact that a software program, probably with a database of emails, a la spam bots, was hitting the server hard. Totally irrelevant petition and it's not going to work.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
so I guess the regret is real ?

No. the people who didn't want to leave are whining, complaining, and assuming that anyone who voted to leave is clearly an imbecile who didn't understand how to put a tick in the right box.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
so I guess the regret is real ?

Nah, just a lot of crying losers who can't take the fact that Britain is leaving the Eu and globalism is dying. Quite embarrassing for Clinton and Obama too really.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
so I guess the regret is real ?

No. the people who didn't want to leave are whining, complaining, and assuming that anyone who voted to leave is clearly an imbecile who didn't understand how to put a tick in the right box.

all 2 million ? interesting take

a reply to: syrinx high priest

No one I know in Bradford (54% out) is regretting it....even the Pakistani British taxi driver and his family still chuffed to bits had a right laugh with him today.
"Global freaking superpower in 10 years init? my friend" I did admire his optimism .

a reply to: syrinx high priest
About as real as a counterfeit pound!

Creating a fake reality is the new norm for MSM.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Those wanting a second referendum are not leftist so that is simply wrong,....

I know - I never said they were.
What I said was that the Remain camp comprised people from many varied political and social backgrounds.

So how was I 'wrong'?

I think you've misunderstood my post.

There are many varied reasons why people voted OUT.

Personally the primary reason I voted out was because of Sovereignty.
I believe Parliament and the regional assemblies should be the primary legislative bodies for the UK and the transfer of sovereignty to Brussels is treasonous.

Yes, our political parties have lost touch with the 'ordinary, everyday' people.
Most of us feel completely alienated from Westminster.

Again my personal opinion is that the austerity cuts were completely unnecessary and were / are more about political ideology than financial necessity.
I feel Labour are completely out of touch with its traditional core supporters - the luvvy PC type tend to dominate the party now.

Party politics has outlived its fit for purpose and we need radical electoral and parliamentary reform.

But they are all domestic issues and we will never achieve any of it until we free ourselves from the EU dictates.

I suspect all of that is far too radical for UK voters at present - but go back 10 years ago and who would have believed we would now be talking about a successful Brexit campaign?

a reply to: Freeborn

Sorry I believe you are correct and must apologize, I will leave it as a simple statement then but not as an answer to yours so any one reading please take note of this amendment.

a reply to: LABTECH767

No need to apologise my friend, all is good.

There are two problems I envisage with the proposal...

1) The first referendum saw a turnout of around 72% - in the event of a second one, the turnout would likely be less. If turnout is to be relevant at all then it should be much, much lower than 75% and maybe even as low as 50%. I think it’s also a well-established principal in the study of both politics and sociology, that referendums must be used extremely sparingly otherwise people will either become apathetic towards them or we’d have one every year and for the simplest of things. Government wants to increase the tax on beer by one penny? Referendum! Just no, that’s not how it works.

2) Voiding or rerunning a referendum based on the result, in this case placing the threshold at 60%, could defeat the entire point in having a referendum in the first place. If it were to transpire that a motion wins by a 2/3 majority then there is every chance that the government would foresee it and thus enact the changes without a referendum as they would likely have the support of most of the country. Depends on the big question I suppose, but if for example there was a clear indication that 2/3 of people favoured staying in the EU then a referendum might never have been taken seriously.

a reply to: IllegalName

Good point If they hold a new one all they have to do is simply not vote and then they will never get this magical number of 75% turnout rate.

Our elected officials have work to do time to earn those expenses.

originally posted by: doobydoll

"I don't know this has already been considered, but I've just counted up exactly how many of the 382 UK voting areas voted to leave the EU. For some reason the BBC doesn't actually give this figure on their "referendum statistics" web page.
The total for the whole of the UK is 270 out of 382, that's over 70% in favour of leaving the EU.
If this were a general election that overwhelming majority would never be questioned.
For some reason, and we all probably know why, because it was not an expected result, even though it was democratically conducted, some people can't accept it."

The 'percentage' argument could go on all day.

The regional breakdown was for administration and convenience, nothing more. Giving the percentage based on regions is misleading when the only important figure is the final vote total.

I say that as someone who is happy with the outcome.

Since only 18.5% of 18-25 yr olds voted remain, That means that more of them have Chlamidya than support the EU.


Just throwing that out there

Anyway, stuff the fake petition, stuff the dodgy politicians that want to wriggle out of their responsibilities.
I expect some prominent MP's to lose their seats at the next election.

Maybe we will start having more real people representing us?

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Actually, that itself raises another point - if, on the day, it looks quite likely that the referendum will see a particular result then those opposing it could simply not vote. Having said that, it would impact upon the percentage rather dramatically and might thus give a clear indication as to who would have won if the turnout was more realistic. So let’s look at some vague numbers...

Electorate: 45m

Turnout: 71%
Total Votes: 32m

Aye: 60%
Nay: 40%

Difference of around 6 million.

Clear majority there, so let’s drop the turnout for nays...

Turnout: 50%
Total Votes: 22.5m

Aye: 80%
Nay: 20%

Difference of around 13.5 million.

The numbers aren’t precise, I rounded them up a bit but I think it illustrates what the impact could be. If we saw a result like the second example then we could probably deduce that if the turnout was 20% higher then there would still be a reasonable majority. To clear up the discrepancy, let’s for the sake of simplicity give an extra 20% to nay inline with a hypothetical 70% turnout... then we’re straight back to 60/40. Vague like I said, but it does offer a bit of a picture.

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

I just read the link you provided about the petition being investigated for fraud, and noticed the petition was created by a leave campaigner, it had just 22 signitures at the time the result was announced, but got hijacked by the remain crowd after the surprise results of the election!

It never ceases to amaze me the shear amount of spin that was and still is being used with regards to Brexit.
It's looking like there will be no second referendum after all, I certainly hope so. While it will take time 2-5 years to get out of the EU and what happens in the mean time is anyone's guess. I think it's great that the majority(just) voted out despite all the fear mongering from the establishment and remain campaign. Even that has been twisted with people on the remain side claiming people voted out because of fear mongering from the leave campaign!

Personally I think many people saw through the remainer's dirty tactics and it was that which persuaded them to vote out in the end... Hopefully this is a sign that most people have woken up to these scare tactics and aren't falling for it anymore. Next we need to get in a government that actually represents the wishes of the people and knows that they will be held accountable if they don't.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

I just read the link you provided about the petition being investigated for fraud, and noticed the petition was created by a leave campaigner, it had just 22 signitures at the time the result was announced, but got hijacked by the remain crowd after the surprise results of the election!

It never ceases to amaze me the shear amount of spin that was and still is being used with regards to Brexit.
It's looking like there will be no second referendum after all, I certainly hope so. While it will take time 2-5 years to get out of the EU and what happens in the mean time is anyone's guess. I think it's great that the majority(just) voted out despite all the fear mongering from the establishment and remain campaign. Even that has been twisted with people on the remain side claiming people voted out because of fear mongering from the leave campaign!

Personally I think many people saw through the remainer's dirty tactics and it was that which persuaded them to vote out in the end... Hopefully this is a sign that most people have woken up to these scare tactics and aren't falling for it anymore. Next we need to get in a government that actually represents the wishes of the people and knows that they will be held accountable if they don't.

I didn't realise that - makes sense. Funny how the media did not report that.