STS-80 Astronaut Jones: "No Aliens Encountered on that Flight"

a reply to: carewemust

One reason would have to do with what happened with the Columbia. Making sure that stuff floating around the spacecraft poses no danger.

a reply to: Phage


That makes sense. Also, it seems that the video from the later shuttles was 1000 times clearer than the earlier missions. It's as if they were fitted with 1960's cameras before 2001 or so.

a reply to: carewemust
The video from STS-80 comes from a camera which had a specific purpose. High resolution was not a priority. High sensitivity to light was. So things that were not very bright appear to be.
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Later missions had different cameras for different purposes, including inspecting the outer surfaces of the ship for damage.

Is it worth starting a thread to ask what the space shuttle and ISS have done to advance our lives, from a technology perspective? I don't want to disrespect the O.P. by taking this thread off-subject.

a reply to: carewemust

It's certainly worth doing some research to find out if it's worth a thread.

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originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: easynow
Musgrave said the formation-over-Africa

was "gorgeous" and "spectacular"



In another video ...he said these objects were "impressive"

.. and in another, he said you were wrong about him seeing aliens... watch it and weep....

www.jamesoberg.com...

I never said he saw Aliens

But thanks for another fine example of debunker dis-info.






Here's the full video from secretnasaman ...


Full Uncut STS-80 UFOs circle Africa
Link - www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: deloprator20000

nor can they orbit the shuttle or ISS, remember in order to orbit in a circle an object needs a force pointing towards the center. Now what force does the Space Shuttle exert on ice particles?

The narrator says it was in the same orbit as the shuttle, not that it was orbiting the shuttle. His point is that it maintained a stable position relative to the shuttle. That means it was not not orbiting the shuttle.

And debris and ice that would have come off of the shuttle would be expected to be in an orbit similar to the shuttle, which it was...

...Then again, curious aliens wanting to get a good look at the shuttle could also put themselves in an orbit similar to the shuttle.

originally posted by: BiffWellington
Jim, do you have an opinion on the Levelland, Texas reports?

Nope.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly


But let's get serious for a moment. You posted that link as reply to easynow...he should watch and weep...but on that link there is nothing to watch but read your "ramblings" about tools falling off.

Is that somehow an arguments for your interpretation ? Is it because you're a super expert ?

It's a transcript of Story Musgrave's talk on the video.

Sorry that written English is such a challenge to you.

originally posted by: carewemust
What's most interesting to me is that the Astronauts always say that there was nothing up there that seemed "alien" in nature. But the Shuttle videos always show them tracking with the camera, and even zooming in on these supposedly "routine" pieces of ice! Why so much interest in boring pieces of ice?

The 'UFO videos' do not ALWAYS show astronauts aiming cameras. When cameras are occasionally panned/tilted, it's the INCO console in Houston usually controlling it. And the reason you do is because you ALWAYS want to check out potential hazards. See www.nbcnews.com...

a reply to: easynow

The crew had one key insight into the nature of the dots that ground controllers never had.

Depth perception.

Every astronaut with two working eyeballs could judge actual range to stuff within 40-60 feet by binocular parallax, which is where most of this stuff was. This was confirmed by seeing it exit or enter the shuttle's own shadow.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly


But let's get serious for a moment. You posted that link as reply to easynow...he should watch and weep...but on that link there is nothing to watch but read your "ramblings" about tools falling off.

Is that somehow an arguments for your interpretation ? Is it because you're a super expert ?

It's a transcript of Story Musgrave's talk on the video.

Sorry that written English is such a challenge to you.

My apologies. I skipped the intro about it saying it's a transcript of his talk.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I've heard such language used to describe supermodels but I never inferred an implication that they were aliens.

For me it's primarily about recognizing it was a phenomenon of some kind. Far from claiming aliens.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I've heard such language used to describe supermodels but I never inferred an implication that they were aliens.

For me it's primarily about recognizing it was a phenomenon of some kind. Far from claiming aliens.

Musgrave does talk that way [I've known him since before his first shuttle flight]. He enjoys describing his 'space snakes' to audiences too, as awesome sights, but he doesn't doubt they're debris from payload jettison pyrotechnic charges.

a reply to: JimOberg

So...his stance on this.."phenomenon"...is what ? Something of ours...fell or dropped... ?

Is he specific about anything...or just a general debunking along the lines ice, dust, some tools ?

I looked at the transcript but couldnt find anything.The problem here for me is...he makes no definitive identification of the phenomenon...yet...he's dead sure it's nothing.

What, no-one said that Jones & Musgrave have been ordered to say this to silence the UFO crowd yet?

originally posted by: JimOberg
Astronaut Tom Jones was aboard STS-80, when the famous 'UFO circle formation' video was made. He and fellow crewman Story Musgrave have always insisted there were no indications of ETI or alien visitors in that video or the entire flight. You can argue with him here if you like.

astronauttomjones.com...

I watched one of the many STS-80 videos available on YouTube and made 22 screen shots although I could have wound up with a heck of a lot more everytime a white dot appeared. Then I viewed a video where an obviously young man asks astronaut Tom Jones questions about his experiences including STS-80.

Here is what Mr Jones says:
"STS-80, Columbia, seventeen-and-a-half-day mission, and on every mission you see lots of debris that is released from the shuttle's payload bay or frozen propellant from the main engines or the thrusters that drifts along with you, in some cases for several days after you arrive in orbit. And so that little cloud of particles gets captured by the low light tv cameras on the space shuttle that are used by the ground controllers at night and when those wind up on video and if you don't know the context for when those pictures were taken those little particles might seem to you like distant stars or moving objects in space. And the video I've seen from STS-80 is just that, this low-light tv camera capturing these ice particles in the very near field, only 10 or 20 feet away. And in the camera view they look like they're flashing and ... tumbling little ice flakes. (Interviewer asks about the cameras and ). And when the crew's asleep or working on something else the ground controllers in Houston can point those remotely at anything they want. And they're typically just doing sightseeing looking for thunderstorms at night and so forth."

There is something wrong with the way astronauts are taught to think and speak. For his above explanation show that he doesn't know what he's talking about. The 22 screen grabs do not show debris, clouds of particles, ice particles, etc. The screen grabs show DISTANT unknowns, not 10 or 20 feet away for why should the 4 bay cameras be focused that distance. What is of interest 10 or 20 feet away? Ice particles? That would be a silly way of using the equipment. The cameras are being controlled by ground controllers so Mr Jones is probably zonking away and misses all of the excitement which he is not qualified to comment on.

Unknowns flash out of the atmosphere and haul away. White "round" unknowns appear from all angles and go their separate ways. Some seem to converge in groups. Some blinkers appear but do not show themselves. Some flash through the scene but slower than the occasional meteroids (?). Whover is operating the camera and zooms in on a group. A group of what? Ice particles, at a great distance?

Mr Jones' explanation is a joke and has nothing to do with the reality outside the windows.

And best of all the particular video I saw ends with the bay camera focusing back and showing the edge of the cargo bay out of focus and then it focuses. That camera was not focused on anything nearby, it was focused maybe on infinity and was able to zoom in on something of interest far away.

I'd like Mr Jones to repeat his stupid comments to my face and explain what the screen grabs show. He may not have seen aliens but he didn't seem to see anything else either. I wonder what he would really think if confronted with the "evidence".

Have a look:
1. Shot out of the clouds, upward


2. More "materializations"


3. Lots of "ice particles" from all over and far away!


4. Lordy, lordy, lordy! 3 "ice particles" defying gravity and grouping!


5. Cargo bay edge out of focus 'cause the camera was focused way in the distance.


6. Camera focused on inside edge of cargo bay. 10 - 20 feet away?

a reply to: klassless

The screen grabs show DISTANT unknowns, not 10 or 20 feet away for why should the 4 bay cameras be focused that distance.

They are not focused at that distance. We are seeing out of focus objects near the shuttle.

The cameras are being controlled by ground controllers

No, they are not. You don't seem to know much about anything.
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Martyn? Is that you?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: klassless

The screen grabs show DISTANT unknowns, not 10 or 20 feet away for why should the 4 bay cameras be focused that distance.

They are not focused at that distance. We are seeing out of focus objects near the shuttle.

The cameras are being controlled by ground controllers

No, they are not. You don't seem to know much about anything.
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Martyn? Is that you?

Mr Phlegm, you may be a respected member of the community but your last sentence shows that you have reading comprehension problems. I quoted astronaut Tom Jones from the video which you can view and hear him saying about the 4 cargo bay cameras:
"And when the crew's asleep or working on something else the ground controllers in Houston can point those remotely at anything they want. And they're typically just doing sightseeing looking for thunderstorms at night and so forth."

I am honored by your misidentification and you would be surprised as to who I really am. But let's keep it a secret between us.

a reply to: klassless

Tom Jones from the video which you can view and hear him saying about the 4 cargo bay cameras:

A valid point. But you dismiss the fact of the Mesoscale Lightning Experiments.

I am honored by your misidentification and you would be surprised as to who I really am. But let's keep it a secret between us.

How can it be "a secret between us" if I'm wrong about who you are? Do you think I know who you really are?