Sympathy For Those Scared By The Brexit Result

I can only say congratulations with leaving the EU money trap
I hope Denmark follow this fine example

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Flavian

No, your argument is lame as #. All the money 'given' to farmers originates from UK tax payers...it just goes through the EU 3rd party before they get it.
Do you not realise that? Honestly?

You are correct. UK will be able to reallocate parts of it's EU budget to local farmers.


What will be difficult though is that since Thatcher the UK economy has seen a change from industry to international finance. And the Brexit will inevitably see a shift of the center of gravity of the European finance from the City to the continent.

That's going to hurt really bad.

originally posted by: tikbalang

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Flavian

Cool, now you can vote for the people in Westminster to protect the farmers.
Win win.

And now im gonna leave this conversation, since it came down to magic and fairy- tales..

You set a record!
Most Thread Posts While Contributing Nothing

Bravo!

People adapt, it's what we do. No need for fear mongering. Countries/people have endured far worse in our history than a political/economic partnership dissolving.

Not having all the answers up front just scares people. The Brits will be fine.

a reply to: In4ormant

Just cause you and i dont see it the same way, does not mean im not contributing... Its your pow..


Please enlighten me what happens when partnership dissolves.. PLEASE!! History does not fail at that fact...

a reply to: tikbalang

For me, immigration is not something I am concerned about, not in the least. I happen to endorse multiculturalism, because I believe that diversity makes species and communities alike, stronger.

I voted out because I do not accept the idea of the EU creating an army for itself, and because the method by which we came to be in the EU in the first place was technically in violation of elements of the 1215 Magna Carta, the 1628 Petition of Right, the 1689 Bill of Rights, and the 1701 Act of Settlement. These items of documentation collectively state (not verbatim) that no foreign power may ever be recognised, or exerted upon these isles, without reference to the people.

Given that we were dragged into the EU without first being asked nicely whether we would like to be, and given that the referendum in the 1970s was retroactive, and did not comprise a proper reference to the people at all, it is very probable that every EU related treaty signed by a British minister or prime minister, has in technical fact been illegal, as was our former membership, by the standard laid out above.

These documents collectively form the British equivalent of a constitution, and matters pertaining to concepts spoken of therein, are referred to as constitutional issues here. Since these documents have never been repealed, which would have required the people's consent as far as I am aware, we never should have been in the EU to start with, or anything similar to it.

I want to live in a nation whose government is sworn to serve only our Queen and our people, and has no other allegiance or loyalties of any kind. I want to live in a country where the law my people have agreed upon between them, is the only law in the land, has no override, nor for any external power to be exerted upon the agencies of that law, of justice. I want to live in a country where the people living in it are the only power, the only voice heard, the only motivating force in the nation, the only masters of its government and owners of its fate, as our ancestors intended, as shown by the documents I refer to above.

That is why I voted out. It is nothing to do with immigration, with which I have no problem. Considering the illegal activity of my nations intelligence services in the Middle East, to fund terror networks by the back door and supply them with arms, alongside partner agencies in the US and Europe, not to mention the idiotic overt foreign policy choices made by our parliament over the last twenty years, I believe as a matter of honour, that we should take as many immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa as we physically, not financially, but PHYSICALLY can, and that contrary to the opinions of the selfish and/or xenophobic, we are not nearly full yet, thank you very much.

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: In4ormant

Just cause you and i dont see it the same way, does not mean im not contributing... Its your pow..


Please enlighten me what happens when partnership dissolves.. PLEASE!! History does not fail at that fact...

We are all still here mate. Life goes on. People overcome. Stop making this out to be the start of WW3.

Go hide in your cave if you're that scared of everything.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I happen to endorse multiculturalism, because I believe that diversity makes species and communities alike, stronger.

I dont believe in multiculturalism, that is a "builder ideal" i believe in one cultural dogma and diversity..

So if you want to go back in time, im sure the Slavery of half the world which the British colonialism enforced seems like a great idea as long as the British Isle is safe?

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: TrueBrit

I happen to endorse multiculturalism, because I believe that diversity makes species and communities alike, stronger.

I dont believe in multiculturalism, that is a "builder ideal" i believe in one cultural dogma and diversity..

So if you want to go back in time, im sure the Slavery of half the world which the British colonialism enforced seems like a great idea as long as the British Isle is safe?

Strawman much?

I don't believe the personal views he expressed mentioned or referenced the actions of colonial Britain or slavery.

Stick to the topic at hand instead of falsely associating concepts and beliefs where none exist.

a reply to: tikbalang

Of course not.

Do not be deliberately obtuse about it!

Being determined that my countrymen and women should be the only ones with a say on what goes on here is not a tacit approval of all the many ills that my nation has inflicted in the world, either in times past or nowadays. In fact, with things as they are, this is the only first step that might one day lead to my nations people being involved enough with the political process, to prevent such stupidities as we are CURRENTLY inflicting on the world.

This is merely one step, and there are many more to go before the people have the correct level of mastery over the direction in which affairs of state move. Once that process begins in earnest, it is my belief that a better, more responsible, less domineering, and more sustainable Britain will be the result, one which operates in all things with the understanding that doing the right thing, rather than merely being seen to, is far more important than what we necessarily gain from a given, possible action or idea.

Making a future that I can be proud to hand over to my son, for this nation, is why I voted the way I did. There are no sinister motivations involved on my part. Obviously, one can only speak for oneself, but I will be watching affairs from here on with the keenest of interest, and a determination to help make the best of the opportunity we have given ourselves to determine our fate, and not just the best for us, but to become a better Britain in ways which will benefit the world in its entirety, rather than simply serving the most powerful and leaving the least behind in the dust.

originally posted by: Spacespider
I can only say congratulations with leaving the EU money trap
I hope Denmark follow this fine example

Your country would bankrupt if they left the EU. Your top export destination is Germany followed by another member of the EU Sweden. now imagine if Denmark left EU, Germans would tax the fck out of you. Your econmy would be massacred and the welfare system you guys have would go up in smoke. How would you compete against the rest of the world EU,China,Russia, India etc ?
Seriously have you all be drinking the Donald Trump's kool aid ? Let's isolate ourselves and build huge walls! Seriously? That's the only argument i keep reading.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Spacespider
I can only say congratulations with leaving the EU money trap
I hope Denmark follow this fine example

Your country would bankrupt if they left the EU. Your top export destination is Germany followed by another member of the EU Sweden. now imagine if Denmark left EU, Germans would tax the fck out of you. Your econmy would be massacred and the welfare system you guys have would go up in smoke. How would you compete against the rest of the world EU,China,Russia, India etc ?
Seriously have you all be drinking the Donald Trump's kool aid ? Let's isolate ourselves and build huge walls! Seriously? That's the only argument i keep reading.

There was a Denmark before the EU right?

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

If you think that the ONLY arguments you have read for an exit of the EU, amount to a Trump campaign speech segment, then you have either been paying too little attention, or have been unfortunate in your choice of reading material.

I desire no wall, figurative or otherwise, around my nation. I just want its people to be its masters, not some puddle of paper shufflers outside our borders, or our oversight.

a reply to: In4ormant

I replied to a post which stated history as an argument, i replied back expressing how the world looked at that time..
I declared my view point on the problem of society and how to undermine it easily.. Its not rocket science..
You enforce strong personal cultural values and just pinpoint it to populism..

If we are going into name callings, try getting an education.. Works miracles in understanding how to world works..

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

There was a Denmark before the EU right?

So was War?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Please stop with the idealism and fantasies, real world and humans.. Real products, import and export.. Real people working not thinking of how they built a raised nation after the WW2

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: In4ormant

I replied to a post which stated history as an argument, i replied back expressing how the world looked at that time..
I declared my view point on the problem of society and how to undermine it easily.. Its not rocket science..
You enforce strong personal cultural values and just pinpoint it to populism..

If we are going into name callings, try getting an education.. Works miracles in understanding how to world works..

What part of my education would you like to know about?

Your post history on this thread speaks for itself. You implied that his views would be aligned with historical misdeeds when he stated no such thing.

You, on the other hand, spout nonsense about war and openly stated that a members kids would fight a war that they voted for.

You are a troll and a fear peddler. If you're going to be that then fine, at least try and aspire to be a good one.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Spacespider
I can only say congratulations with leaving the EU money trap
I hope Denmark follow this fine example

Your country would bankrupt if they left the EU. Your top export destination is Germany followed by another member of the EU Sweden. now imagine if Denmark left EU, Germans would tax the fck out of you. Your econmy would be massacred and the welfare system you guys have would go up in smoke. How would you compete against the rest of the world EU,China,Russia, India etc ?
Seriously have you all be drinking the Donald Trump's kool aid ? Let's isolate ourselves and build huge walls! Seriously? That's the only argument i keep reading.

I guess you don´t know anything about economics in Denmark.

Umm Denmark would do just fine, all the whole world wants our products. look at Norway our neighbors doing better then ever, and they are NOT part of EU. Oh and Gernamy will never try and "tax" us for anything.. what interest would they have in loosing a trade partner, EU is just a imaginary cloud.. it means NOTHING for us.

EU is just taking money from countries that do well, as Denmark.. and channels it to a blackhole that will never heal.

We had problems with EU from start to no end. They limit the powers of our country and they limit our growth.
That and EU is run by a small elite circles witch interests lies only in making the rich richer and the poor silent lambs.

a reply to: In4ormant

For me, immigration is not something I am concerned about, not in the least. I happen to endorse multiculturalism, because I believe that diversity makes species and communities alike, stronger.

I voted out because I do not accept the idea of the EU creating an army for itself, and because the method by which we came to be in the EU in the first place was technically in violation of elements of the 1215 Magna Carta, the 1628 Petition of Right, the 1689 Bill of Rights, and the 1701 Act of Settlement. These items of documentation collectively state (not verbatim) that no foreign power may ever be recognised, or exerted upon these isles, without reference to the people

My reply

I dont believe in multiculturalism, that is a "builder ideal" i believe in one cultural dogma and diversity.. So if you want to go back in time, im sure the Slavery of half the world which the British colonialism enforced seems like a great idea as long as the British Isle is safe?

Im really trying to be reasonable, but im not sure you are

a reply to: Spacespider

Norway is not doing fine, why are you lying?

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

There was a Denmark before the EU right?

So was War?

And yet, Brits all over the country woke up today and had tea and coffee. Cows still produced milk, chickens still laid eggs, the rooster still crowed and little Johnny asked if he could stay home from school. Not an ICBM in sight. Amazing.