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Anything not in harmony with, hence contrary to, God’s personality, standards, ways, and will; anything marring one’s relationship with God. It may be in word (Job 2:10; Ps 39:1), in deed (doing wrong acts [Le 20:20; 2Co 12:21] or failing to do what should be done [Nu 9:13; Jas 4:17]), or in mind or heart attitude (Pr 21:4; compare also Ro 3:9-18; 2Pe 2:12-15). Lack of faith in God is a major sin, showing, as it does, distrust of him or lack of confidence in his ability to perform. (Heb 3:12, 13, 18, 19) A consideration of the use of the original-language terms and examples associated with them illustrates this.
Sin
Definition: Literally, a missing of the mark, according to the Hebrew and Greek Bible texts. God himself sets the “mark” that his intelligent creatures are to reach. Missing that mark is sin, which is also unrighteousness, or lawlessness. (Rom. 3:23; 1 John 5:17; 3:4) Sin is anything not in harmony with God’s personality, standards, ways, and will, all of which are holy. It may involve wrong conduct, failure to do what should be done, ungodly speech, unclean thoughts, or desires or motives that are selfish. The Bible differentiates between inherited sin and willful sin, between an act of sin over which a person is repentant and the practice of sin.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Raggedyman
it's speaking of the death and sins of human beings.
Animals can't sin. And Satan sinned before humans chronologically.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
No death before sin
originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Raggedyman Are you referring to dinosaur fossils? Or human?
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Raggedyman
If animals cannot sin, their death is not related to the verse you are bringing up. Animals lived and died long before humans were created. Old fossils of them are to be expected.
Pointing out that Satan sinned before humans, is demonstrating that that verse is not talking about the sin and death of anything other than human beings.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
I was talking about death in the world, earth.
Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate. For example, researchers have calculated that "mitochondrial Eve"--the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people--lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6000 years old.
originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Raggedyman I thought Whereislogic's answer made perfect sense. The verse you quoted, states, ''death to all men''... because of mankind's sin. Animal and or dinosaur fossils would be in their own category, outside of mankind. If there is a verse about being brought into existence for all living creatures, that is different.
If dinosaurs were before Eden, then God would have to do away with them, because they wouldn't be safe for humans.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: Raggedyman
I was talking about death in the world, earth.
Hmmm, how can I point this out the most cautiously and the least offensively...I think I'm just gonna blurt it out.
You might also describe the above as trying to read your philosophical beliefs into the bible, twisting it and then trying to use it in support of those beliefs you have been taught regarding a young earth.
Of course most of this has already been done for you and you end up repeating the way of thinking of the people who have twisted that verse to their liking in previous centuries sometimes (people who are long dead but their influence still lingers on; and not only obvious twists like these, much more cunning ones regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, the myth of the immortal soul, and more).
originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: ZeroFurrbone I'm sure they were pretty darn pesky. I wouldn't want to be around one.
Yikes! Good thing it didn't bite you! I imagine a weird smell when I think of reptiles. Dinosaurs were probably stinky too.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: ZeroFurrbone I'm sure they were pretty darn pesky. I wouldn't want to be around one.
I am sure they were pretty darn pesky too, had a crock sneak up on me when fishing once.
Nothing very big but I didnt notice it till I nearly trod on the bloody thing
Then just slipped back into the water
Must of realised it was out matched