Irony comes a knocking - Breivik’s human rights violated in prison

if you ever wonder why the death penalty exists, it's for people who do things like this. They aren't human and shouldn't be treated as such. We don't put rabid dogs in a cage and feed them until they die a natural death, that would be cruel to the dog. It's not something that should be used in every scenario, and not for payback, but for common sense, this guy needs to not be on the earth anymore. It should have taken place just after the trial.

VR...god damn it...VR...strap him to a chair...and put a VR goggles on him...and make him enjoy Justin Bieber concerts live as if he was there.

Round the clock...I wonder if he could take it ?

Tried that with Alex and Beethoven in a Clockwork Orange, brilliant!

How'd you know Breivek is a "Belieber"

a reply to: Butterfinger

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I have a buddy in prison I was best friends with in highschool. He is serving 10 years for burg. I was blown away to find out he has a tv. We write each other often so he tells me all about it. But holy hell....exercise equipment, a DVD player, games console isnt this prison??? Where is the punishment? All the guy is missing is female company and he is set. c'est la vie

Sorry but that's a typical right wing response that doesn't think. If things were so cushy in jail then police would never have to do any work. Instead the criminals would leave a post-it at the scene of the crime to ensure they got caught asap and end up in prison!!!!!!

No they don't and the reason is simple it is not the holiday camp some people think it is. A lot of the things you can't believe about prison e.g. TV, exercise are to ensure the inmates are calm. For f's sake if the inmates are agitated f.ckers then they riot and people die, including prison staff.

Human history shows that the people hate being locked up irrespective of how benign the incarceration is.

If we are better than those that commit crimes, especially crimes against people, then we do not ever behave like them. Second point that some ranters about human rights forget. Those human rights were enshrined in law after WWII to ensure that no society drifts into a state where they behave like the Nazi's did. The easiest one to slip into is to incarcerate people for protesting at the government by using some BS excuse.

If some really evil people get a TV then tough sh.t it's a price worth paying if it prevents us from drifting into a police state.

originally posted by: network dude
if you ever wonder why the death penalty exists, it's for people who do things like this. They aren't human and shouldn't be treated as such. We don't put rabid dogs in a cage and feed them until they die a natural death, that would be cruel to the dog. It's not something that should be used in every scenario, and not for payback, but for common sense, this guy needs to not be on the earth anymore. It should have taken place just after the trial.

"They aren't human"....erm yes they are. You have justified to yourself a reason to kill a human being and that is what every killer does. Jesus H think Breivik justified to himself that lefty socialists were not human and were a danger to "his" version of society, so they deserved to die.

You believe that Breivik is a danger to society and deserves to die. Same thinking. It's all a matter of perspective. If all Norwegians were like Breivik then nobody would have died so in reality those people who died brought it on themselves. See, so easy to justify inhuman behaviour. That is why we need absolute definitions of human rights.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

Breivik acted on the assumption and ended up killing over 70(seventy...seven groups of 10, plus some) that did not kill anyone.

Hes crazy and is not repentant of it. Let him out he will become a hero and social justice warrior of his own kind.

Or we can lock him up and make him miserable for the rest of his life. IMO its worse to drag out a life with NO prospects or hope aside from free meals and heating.

Put him out of his misery and use the funds that he would have cost for life in prison to help immigrants in Norway? LOL

a reply to: TrueBrit

Did you ever get your licence back?

I did. Admitted my guilt...and didnt want to dance around making excuses. I didn hire a lawyer to get me off. Since there were no real consequences of my deed (luckily), the judge revoked my licence and made pay a hefty fine. 13 years later...I got my licence back No, the licence wasnt revoked for 13 years...

But there was only ever one outcome of ABBs actions, and that outcome was a massacre. He knew this when he loaded the first magazine, when he made the first twist of wire that would form the foundations of the explosive devices he built and deployed, he knew this well in advance of the day of the assault. Every one of the actions of which he partook leading up to, during, and after the events which saw him sent to jail, was one he involved himself in willingly, and without the slightest doubt as to the outcome. I have spoken to you before on these boards, and so although I do not know you as well as I know my own blood, I know this about you. When you got into your car on the day of your smash, you were not intending to kill anyone, or harm anyone. The incident made you more aware of the consequences of your actions, that unintended consequences are consequences all the same, and I am willing to bet that if someone had told you before hand "Listen MOTF, today, while you are having grand larks going at improbable speed, you are going to slam into a car with two occupants inside it, at more than one hundred miles an hour", that you might have elected not to get into the car at all that day.

all true the point in the end is as you state...the intention...

Your intentions were not evil, just misguided. His actions were designed from the outset to cause specific and horrible results. No comparison what so ever. You are, for all your faults, just a dude. ABB is a remorseless death machine.

it was not my intention to compare the two...but rather on this simplistic example to show...that if a person is at least half way "normal"...you would feel remorse and guilt about harming others. If you're a human being.

I stand by my assessment. This "guy" is not a human being and shouldnt be treated as such.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

If society agrees that killing is wrong - then it's always wrong

If we agree that humans have basic rights, and that we are above acting on our most primitive instincts - the rules we agree on together about how we treat each other apply to all of us equally. Even those of us that break those same rules

If we disregard those rules, the exceptions makes all of it meaningless. We can only pretend that we're better than the people we lock up

Vengeance isn't useful, it's only satisfying

But the society doesnt agree that it's wrong. In fact...some "societies" release drones over populated areas and many innocent people die every day. Nobody stands trial for it.

But in the case of Breivik...we should now act as if we dont condone murder ? give me a break. As I said...it's a fashion statement more then really followed through.

Vengeance isn't useful, it's only satisfying

This is not about vengeance..it's about removing a cancer from the organism. I'm sure you dont want that cancer pampered and fed while it develops inside you.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Yes, he killed 80. 77 of them were kids at a summer camp. Let's imagine if American society up and decided the guy who shot those people in the church deserved this kind of treatment ... and to get out in 21 years.

Any bets on if that happens?

no way man. I doubt this guys would have it so easy as he does in Norway. Plenty of examples I'm sure

originally posted by: network dude
if you ever wonder why the death penalty exists, it's for people who do things like this. They aren't human and shouldn't be treated as such. We don't put rabid dogs in a cage and feed them until they die a natural death, that would be cruel to the dog. It's not something that should be used in every scenario, and not for payback, but for common sense, this guy needs to not be on the earth anymore. It should have taken place just after the trial.

Wholeheartedly agree

originally posted by: Butterfinger

VR...god damn it...VR...strap him to a chair...and put a VR goggles on him...and make him enjoy Justin Bieber concerts live as if he was there.

Round the clock...I wonder if he could take it ?

Tried that with Alex and Beethoven in a Clockwork Orange, brilliant!

How'd you know Breivek is a "Belieber"

I'm guessing he isn't...therefore...

a reply to: yorkshirelad

You believe that Breivik is a danger to society and deserves to die. Same thinking. It's all a matter of perspective. If all Norwegians were like Breivik then nobody would have died so in reality those people who died brought it on themselves. See, so easy to justify inhuman behaviour. That is why we need absolute definitions of human rights.

No one who hasnt taken a life...deserves to die...and in fact...not everyone that has taken a life...deserves to die. But If you spray death from a machine gun, commit mass murder, and say that you would do it all over again...then I'm sorry man...you deserve to die. You are a cancer of society...and cancers need to be removed.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

But the society doesnt agree that it's wrong. In fact...some "societies" release drones over populated areas and many innocent people die every day. Nobody stands trial for it.

You are preaching to the choir Marion

I didn't say we weren't hypocritical

I'm sure you dont want that cancer pampered and fed while it develops inside you.

That sounds like vengeance

For me (and many of us) removing the cancer means prison - not extermination

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

That sounds like vengeance For me (and many of us) removing the cancer means prison - not extermination

But is prison a removal ?...you just placed it among other humans...which you feel deserve to be near the cancer. Why should a person who is serving time for a non violent crime be in any way associated with this...cancer ? Are they the same ? Are they even similar ?

in the end..point is...as you already acknowledged...we kill people everyday. Innocent people....all over the world...and suddenly...this guy of all people is worth the tax payers money.

Tax payers will now pay for the legal fees, pay for his new play station and for some high end games. It's ludicrous and slap in the face of families of his victims.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I'm not religious. I can't give you a religious answer. I'm a humanist, but even in this it's a matter of opinion. Different people see things differently

I can't see that execution is a solution to anything, and it violates our principles. It's a violation of human rights, and that agreement that we make with ourselves is the only one that matters. It protects all of us

Not everyone sees it this way of course, but I'm glad to see that Norway did the right thing

What he did was unspeakable. The rest of us can choose to not do unspeakable things

I can't convince you Marion - we just see it differently is all

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

It's Mario On The Fly

it violates our principles.

Only few people have principles. they're up for the highest bidder generally speaking.

I can't convince you Marion - we just see it differently is all

I wouldnt want change you man. In general..I'm against the death penalty...this is an exception to the rule.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Sorry Mario :-)

Sometimes I like making new names out of the names I see - but not this time. I have a kind of reading problem - for the longest time whenever I saw your name I saw Marion

Only few people have principles. they're up for the highest bidder generally speaking.

I think most people have principles. We just don't always agree on those. There are some we all mostly believe in

I wouldnt want change you man. In general..I'm against the death penalty...this is an exception to the rule.

People like this need to be removed from society. He's not well - regardless of whatever kind of sanity test he might have passed - he is definitely not well

Here's what I think is interesting about all this - as long as you're interested in irony. He killed kids that were members of The Workers' Youth League. Democratic socialists

The prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment “represents a fundamental value in a democratic society”, she said in a written decision. “This applies no matter what – also in the treatment of terrorists and killers.”

His human rights were protected by the beliefs of the people he killed. I think in some ways we humans have come a long way. Norway doesn't have the death penalty. I wish my country could say the same