Breaking the Commandments Pt2: ABORTION

Donald Trump says women should be punished for having an abortion

DONALD TRUMP has said that "women should be punished for having an abortion." In an interview with MSNBC, Trump was pushed hard about his views on abortion and his belief that it should be outlawed.

After the interview, Trump released a statement in which he attempted to backtrack, saying that it should be up to individual states to decide.

Genesis 28:34

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

Genesis 1:27-28

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth

Life before Birth

In Luke 1:41,44 there are references to the unborn John the Baptist, who was at the end of his second trimester in the womb. The word, translated baby, in these verses is the Greek word brephos. It is the same word used for the already born baby Jesus (Luke 2:12, 16) and for the babies brought to Jesus to receive His blessing (Luke 18:15-17). It is also the same word used in Acts 7:19 for the newborn babies killed by Pharaoh. To the writers of the New Testament, like the Old, whether born or unborn, a baby is simply a baby. It appears that the preborn John the Baptist responded to the presence of the preborn Jesus in His mother Mary when Jesus was probably no more than ten days beyond His conception (Luke 1:41).

41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

Meredith Cline observes, "The most significant thing about abortion legislation in Biblical law is that there is none. It was so unthinkable that an Israelite woman should desire an abortion that there was no need to mention this offense in the criminal code." [6] All that was necessary to prohibit an abortion was the command, “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13). Every Israelite knew that the preborn child was indeed a child. Therefore, miscarriage was always viewed as the loss of a child and abortion as the killing of a child.

The prophets of Israel were outraged at the sacrifice of children by some of the Jews. They warned that it would result in the devastating judgment of God on their society (Jeremiah 7:30-34; Ezekiel 16:20-21, 36-38; 20:31; compare 2 Kings 21:2-6 and Jeremiah 15:3-4).

Roe v Wade
Arguments

For Roe Under the Bill of Rights, a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy. It is improper for a State to deny individuals the personal, marital, familial, and sexual right to privacy. Moreover, in no case in its history has the Court declared that a fetus—a developing infant in the womb—is a person. Therefore, the fetus cannot be said to have any legal "right to life." Because it is unduly intrusive, the Texas law is unconstitutional and should be overturned.

For Wade The State has a duty to protect prenatal life. Life is present at the moment of conception. The unborn are people, and as such are entitled to protection under the Constitution. The Texas law is a valid exercise of police powers reserved to the States in order to protect the health and safety of citizens, including the unborn. The law is constitutional and should be upheld.

Decision and Rationale
By a vote of 7–2, with Justices White and Rehnquist in dissent, the Court agreed with Roe and upheld her right to terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester (90 days). The Court observed that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment contained three references to "person." In his majority opinion, Justice Blackmun noted that, for nearly all such references in the Constitution, "use of the word is such that it has application only postnatally. None indicates, with any assurance, that it has any possible prenatal application."

Approaching the matter of when life begins, Blackmun was clearly hesitant to commit the Court to any position.

Roe v Wade

Roe V. Wade stands out as one of the most infamous cases ever decided in history. On January 22, 1973, the Supreme Court granted a young mother the "right of choice" to take the life of the developing child in her womb. She never exercised that right, but there have now been over 58 million precious lives sacrificed on this altar of "choice"—a whole generation. Roe V. Wade will be forever remembered as the day when America said that death is the acceptable choice for "unwanted life."

A new generation of women was faced with a decision they could not responsibly handle. For some, abortion seemed to be the simplest solution to their "problem." If a patient was not secure about the final outcome of their choice they were firmly persuaded by those who were. These women were often motivated by doubts about the reality of the personhood of the child within their womb. Often a doctor would begin practicing on the premise that they were just trying to save the life of the mother and then progress to performing abortions on a regular basis. Eventually, abortion was a common practice among some physicians and generally accepted by women as their "right".

Facts About Abortion

Unmarried women accounted for 85.3% of all abortions(CDC).

1% (of aborting women) reported that they were the survivors of rape (NAF).

Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade Never Had An Abortion, Her Daughter is 46

Norma McCorvey is “Jane Roe.” She claimed then that her pregnancy was the result of a rape, although for over a decade now she has been outspokenly pro-lifeand publicly admitted that this, and virtually every fact on which her case was built, was a lie. Both McCorvey and Sandra Cano, the Doe of Doe v. Bolton—Roe’s companion case from Georgia decided the same day—are now outspoken pro-life advocates who have sworn that their cases are built on lies (Cano unfortunately passed away in October 2014).

So, there you have it. Roe v Wade was a complete lie. It's never been about a woman's "right to choose". Abortion is a big "F.U.", while flippin' the bird, in God's face. Do you really wonder why the nation is in the shape it's in? Do you really think someone like Trump can make it "great, again"? The only thing that's going to make America "great, again" is repentance! Admit you're wrong and change course. That simple!


Breaking the Commandments Pt1: EASTER

a reply to: JuJuBee

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. The God of the Old Testament, and his prophets, were pro-abortion all over the place.

Just because Elizabeth, John the Baptist mother, felt a "quickening" doesn't mean that abortion wasn't supported by temple leaders.

Numbers 5:16-22
“‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

Seems that abortions are ok in certain cases and as long as it's a priest who governs over it with his Religious Magic and the help of God.

Hypocrites.

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a reply to: mOjOm

There's more!

(Hosea 9:14)
Give them, O LORD–what will You give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.

2 Kings 15:16
At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women.

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

Psalms 137:8-9
Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us. He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

a reply to: JuJuBee
Thank "God" for the Separation of Church and State.

There are lots of laws and judgements in the OT. Do you live by every word written or just the the ones you can use to oppress freedom.

Gluttony is one. Think about that next time you are slamming back two double cheese burgers. But no single out weighs another right?

a reply to: JuJuBee

The only thing that's going to make America "great, again" is repentance! Admit you're wrong and change course. That simple!

Ah yes. More of this...

...be assimilated or suffer the consequences.

I don't believe abortion should be used as contraception, but I do believe it is necessary. Fortunately for us, it doesn't matter what Trump says. The constitution is the law of the land, not Donaldo.

She never exercised that right because the trial took her way past the time for an abortion.

I don't know if you're trolling or not but it's a woman's right to chose what she can do with her body. Religion, especially Christianity, is not the law of the land. If you want to live under Christian law I advise you to move to the Vatican.

originally posted by: JuJuBee
Do you really wonder why the nation is in the shape it's in? Do you really think someone like Trump can make it "great, again"? The only thing that's going to make America "great, again" is repentance! Admit you're wrong and change course. That simple!

Yes and gay marriage causes tornadoes and wildfires.

The country is in the shape it's in because it's run by jackasses who only care to line their pockets and stay in power and people care more about what a magic sky wizard thinks about his fellow countrymen than about what can actually be done to fix physical problems with physical consequences and physical solutions.

The country is in the state it's in because of the things it does, not because gods waving an angry finger over abortion; if you don't believe me, just look at how #ty the countries whose governments don't endorse abortion are doing, because it's not better.

a reply to: Teddy916

i think it crazy how killing a baby is seen as some kind of personnel freedom that heroic women/men had to fight for and secure for future generations.

do you see how warped our perception on reality is?

a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

You're confused. Baby killing is called Infanticide, not abortion.

a reply to: windword

A baby while still inside the womb is still a baby.
Murder is murder.

Mothers who want a baby and miscarry grieve because their baby has died.
Mothers who intentionally throw away this gift for selfish reasons are murdering an innocent baby.

Religious or not, murder is wrong.

a reply to: BlueAjah

I think you need to see this and rethink your views:

a reply to: BlueAjah

A baby while still inside the womb is still a baby. Murder is murder.

Do you think a fertilized egg is a baby?

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: windword

A baby while still inside the womb is still a baby.
Murder is murder.
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And an acorn is a mighty oak tree.

a reply to: windword

Yes.

Have you ever had a miscarriage? Even very early, after you have already fallen in love with the child you are carrying?

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: windword

Yes.

A chemical reaction does not a person make!

Have you ever had a miscarriage? Even very early, after you have already fallen in love with the child you are carrying?

My experience isn't important, but your question just reinforces why this is an individual and very personal decision that can only be made by the people involved, i.e. the woman and her significant others/family.

a reply to: windword

If you have ever felt the kind of love a mother feels the instant she knows that there is a child growing inside, then you will know how wrong it is to take away that life.

We are raising generations who have been told it is ok to murder an innocent baby. We have done a very harmful thing to humanity by allowing this to be accepted as a right and as a norm.

Humanity has gone down the wrong path in so many ways, but this is one of the most heinous.
The correct path would have been to raise the generations without a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.
The correct thing would have been to teach women that if they truly are not ready for motherhood, that they can have their child and it will be embraced by society and raised by others with no stigma and no regrets.
We should have gone down the path of teaching people that love, and life, is more important than selfishness.
People don't respect life, and don't know what true love is.