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originally posted by: Kester
The same people may refuse to sign anything. No signed contract means they go free while you pay if you sign. Work out from that the power of the legal fiction 'name'.
originally posted by: Azureblue
The legal name is your name in capitals. It was created when you were born via your birth certificate. The legal name is copyrighted by the Crown Corporation and is owned by them. if you give your legal name via your driver license, you care committing the crime of copyright in infringement. The police officer who demands that you give you name, legal name, the officer is guilty of aiding and abetting the same crime.
originally posted by: DeeSmithGo to Crown Copyright in the information age, gov't website, pages 29 and 31, they tell you flat out that birth certificates are copyrighted information and that you are acting illegally to use it without express written permission to do so.
originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: hellobruce
I shall not provide you with the information you demand as I respect the wishes of the person I referred to.
Which means you know it's a lie.
originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: hellobruce
I shall not provide you with the information you demand as I respect the wishes of the person I referred to.
False. All court proceedings in the UK have a record. Regardless of outcome.
The case does not appear in the link you provided.
You do understand that those found innocent of the crime they are accused of have the legal right to have all records relating to the case purged?
What's to be afraid of? You can't back up a single claim and it has been PROVEN that this legal name stuff is rubbish.
originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: TerryDon79
People are afraid of the truth which is why I keep being accused of being a liar.
So people are supposed to just take your word for it? The Nigerian Prince scam works in the same way. Believing without proof.
I will continue to respect my acquaintance's wishes.
originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: hellobruce
You do understand that those found innocent of the crime they are accused of have the legal right to have all records relating to the case purged?
www.donoghue-solicitors.co.uk...
7. Deletion of Records from National Police Systems
Records taken when a Claimant is processed at a police station include DNA, fingerprints, custody photograph, personal details, and information about the arrest/ detention.
These records are added to the following computer systems:
•Police National Computer
•National Fingerprint Database
•National DNA Database
•local police databases.
How long the records are kept depends on the circumstances.
For example, records are kept indefinitely when someone is convicted of an offence or receives an out-of-court disposal such as a caution, warning, or reprimand.
This can be particularly troubling for people who have never been in trouble with the police.
For many Claimants, having their records deleted from national police systems is an effective remedy. Unfortunately, the process is time-consuming and, because it relies on the discretion of chief officers, not straightforward. For more details, see the National Police Chiefs’ Council website.
Despite the barriers, removing records from police computer systems can be made easier with a successful claim against the police and/ or police complaint.
originally posted by: teapot
So, a person found guilty can have 'spent' convictions whereby records are not available to be disclosed but a person found innocent and deemed wrongfully arrested cannot?
How foolish.
Here's a link.
www.donoghue-solicitors.co.uk...
7. Deletion of Records from National Police Systems
...
Those wrongfully arrested and imprisoned have rights and there is nothing in English law that demands a defendant has a legal obligation to provide their identity to the courts. Or indeed, to the police. Or indeed to anonymous trolls on internet discussion boards.
originally posted by: EvillerBob
originally posted by: teapot
So, a person found guilty can have 'spent' convictions whereby records are not available to be disclosed but a person found innocent and deemed wrongfully arrested cannot?
How foolish.
Here's a link.
www.donoghue-solicitors.co.uk...
7. Deletion of Records from National Police Systems
...
Those wrongfully arrested and imprisoned have rights and there is nothing in English law that demands a defendant has a legal obligation to provide their identity to the courts. Or indeed, to the police. Or indeed to anonymous trolls on internet discussion boards.
This is a mechanism for removing a record from the Police National Computer, which I referred to earlier. This means that, for example, should someone search against your name when you apply for certain jobs etc, the employer will not be told about that particular record.
The records of the court case itself are still held by the court system. Depending on the case, some are even published in the official reports and may even be discussed in detail in other cases. Those records will still exist and will still be available to the public, unless there is some other reporting restriction in place.
You mentioned that it was possible to have the case report removed. The link you provided does not allow for that; it only refers to records held in the PNC. If you are relying on that to have a court case scrubbed from existence, then I am afraid you are mistaken as to what that process can do.
You are also mistaken as to the existence of laws requiring you to identify yourself.
The Police do not have a general power to require you to identify yourself. The Road Traffic Act 1988, however, sets out several situations where you may be committing an offence if you do not provide your details.
RTA 1988 s 164 requires a driver, or someone reasonably believed to be the driver, to produce a driving license for a police officer to inspect and must also provide their date of birth (presumably useful if the license is not immediately available).
RTA 1988 s 170 requires a driver who has been involved in an accident to provide their name and address to any person reasonably requiring it.
You can work through the RTA and pull out a few other situations, but these are the most common ones.
The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 deals with conditions for arrest.
SOCP 2005 s 100 allows Police to arrest without warrant on reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is in the progress of being, or is about to be, committed, AND "s 100(5)(a) to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person's name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his real name)".
The Police Reform Act 2002 also gives certain powers.
PRA 2002 s 50 makes it an offence for someone to refuse to provide their name and address to a police officer who has reasonable grounds to believe that person has been, or is, acting in an anti-social manner.
A refusal to identify yourself to the court can also considered contempt, but I'm running out of time and can't be arsed to pull out the specific rules in place. But, from recollection, it is correct.
originally posted by: anicca111
You fail to have basic comprehension of what LAW (you talk about law, then quote nothing but acts) or fraud is... now... I will say that man cannot write law. It is impossible... but let's entertain a world in which man has written law validly...
This world you may think is the legal (law society) world.... legal is not law without consent, even in this fairyland.
Legislation, statutes, acts are not law. They are LEGAL.
The LEGAL name, is a LEGAL system fiction, only given any force of anything (illusionary power/authority) via consent.
YOU could not consent to being a legal anything. You were a baby. Your parents could not consent for you either, as they were babies when the fraud/ crime of personage was imposed upon them.
www.knowledgeispower-uk.tk...
Copyright can be used at discretion by the creator... the content of the registrar book/records can be copy written. The MARK and NUMBER of the beast is this. All will be forced to have it for commerce (basically the situation we're almost at now)...
IF you can comprehend what fraud is... none of this needs to be explained... the truth is. It IS fraud. It is PERSONAGE. It is GLOSSA/corruption of language/text. It IS deception.
How could it not be. The truth isn't out to get you; it's simply truth, "the truth shall set you free".
Do no harm is the answer. Do no harm and good intent is universal law. I think we would manage and people are capable of true anarchism (cypto-anarchism via a decentralized, distributed, trustless, consensual, voluntary blockchain). But for this to work, the mind control has to go. Sorry
originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: EvillerBob
Really not in topic, but...
Magic juju hehehe