I just don't know anymore America...enough already.

This 2016 election is WWE meets Idiocracy meets House of Cards meets 1968. If that's possible.

I'm not a Trump supporter but the way the left and the establishment right has become unhinged is really disturbing. This is NOT how we should be behaving. It's a deplorable example to the rest of the world.

IMHO, the only way to handle an abject narcissist is to deny them the attention they so desperately seek.. Turn away. Turn off your TVs. Stop commenting.

But is that possible in a hyper-connected, media driven world?

Ths last 24 hours have been shocking. How do we ramp it down?

I fear this will end very, very badly.

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

We need to be brought together not further apart. Clearly the people want division and you are right I cannot support anything the left has to say after last night, and to hear it now they blame trump, NO you are responsible for your actions, and you need to distance yourself from extreme elements in your group or face being judged by the same brush. This all is highly concerning and I am left asking in the words of G&R where do we go now?

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

I am a Trump supporter. It is shocking....but not necessarily a bad thing. Venting has been needed for a loooong time.

Let it play out. At the least, there's enough noise for one and maybe two new parties to form after this election. The chance for a voice in things even if only for a little while.

Well said OP though it's not going to change anytime soon. It's part of the divide which keeps corruption in place. I find it amusing and ironic that that the protesters went lock stock and barrel for the protest. In fact it may have had something to do with making Sanders supporters look bad. The whole thing is divide and conquer. Don't be so sure about the establishment wanting Sanders. Heck, even Sanders said Hillary will succeed with gun control. If the elites want that as well as other things she has to offer then she's their pick.

Please please America STOP with all this election talk we surrender

PS i have just figured out why you have so many shootings

it is the politics i tell you


Ban it

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Ban politics? You can't even get away from it in the workplace. It's human nature at it's finest.....

a reply to: dreamingawake

Part of what's so shocking is the obvious manipulations and machinations. I do not for one minute think citizens that care enough to vote in the 21st century would condone any of this. Neither the subjugation of voter preference like the GOP is doing nor the senseless disruption of the first amendment and political process by the left.

Nope. I truly believe much of this is simply puppetry and theater but, the problem is populace is so exhausted and so well conditioned and pliable that, like the cliche sheep - we go where we're lead.

Somewhere, the next Orwell is taking notes.

a reply to: TechniXcality

I'm not sure how you unite a country containing a group as angry and set in stone as the people on the street last night. They've been heading in their march now for 8 years and pushing, pushing, pushing to get their way.

The angriness of Trump supporters is a backlash against that. They are tired of always being blamed, always being called nasty names in an intimidation bid, etc.

Somehow, I think America is about to look a bit like this:



Where the skinny bully represents the angry people who shut down the rally and the big kid who stood there and took it for a while before curb stomping him is the rest of the country.

And believe me, I'm not looking forward to it.

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

I like Trump because he has the best chance of winning and he's the most "outsider" of all the candidates.

Sanders/Hillary are too socialist for me to vote for.

And Cruz is too nutty for me.

So I'll either vote for Trump or not at all.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Even here in the un UK i am pulling my hair out hearing about it non stop 24/7 , i dread to think what it is like in America

And this goes on until November

You poor people have my sympathies

no you really do

Don't vote for them as it only encourages the idiots

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

I am NOT a fan of trump, but if I was more inclined or less jaded, I would vote for Trump just to make up for the barbaric crap they are pulling against him.

When I see violence I want to get violent. When I hear rational words I want to be rational.

I dont think I am special or an exception.

If they have the right and logical stance here prove it with your words. If we cant respect others minds then physically, lets see who is REALLY down for what ever.

Thats the way I see it.

EDIT TO ADD:
best "message" vote to send? No vote. No validation of the system. They dont even NEED our vote. Thats the point. If no one voted we would STILL get who ever the hell people in DC want.

Why let them say "here is YOUR candidate".

a reply to: ketsuko

That's the thing, I don't think it can be contained. The Kraken has been unleashed and all that's left is the annihilation.

I think this madness may well inevitably change our future political structure. But will it be for better or worse? I can see this giving rise to either some new standard of ineffectiual coalition governance OR a so-called benevolent dictatorship.

a reply to: stonerwilliam


You do have, or at least had, the benefit of that social understating that has stood you in good stead for a long time.

That veneer never was well developed on this side of the pond. It like commuting to work during a particularly bad rainstorm. One uses the umbrella if it's not too windy, turns up the collar hunches and basically ignores it.

That's the current political clime in the U.S.. Perhaps in the U.K., as well?

a reply to: tadaman

The danger of Trump is that he forces intelligent people to choose - a choice between their rebellious heart or their rational mind, which may well create a very volatile and destructive cognitive dissonance.

What we're seeing is reactionary to the direct threat that Trump and Sanders poses to the establishment. The establishment bought media and elite bought politicians don't know what to do aside from throw a tantrum against the American people. They say we don't know what's best. They say they know what we need. And when we buck what they say we need, they react like a five year old who's parent said they can't have that snickers bar.

originally posted by: HoldMyBeer
a reply to: tadaman

The danger of Trump is that he forces intelligent people to choose - a choice between their rebellious heart or their rational mind, which may well create a very volatile and destructive cognitive dissonance.

Surprisingly, not in all cases. I have both an emotional resonance and an intellectual connection. (Of course, the intellectual one may overlap as a justification for the emotional one, but knowing that weakness/liability of "I. Q., I suspect at most, only partially.)

Hope and desperation is the simplest description of my base motives. Add in a little research and Trump actually isn't considered a bad man by those with long connections with him. (Not that isn't the case with other candidates, potentially)

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

American politics, whose outcomes effect every damn bit of dirt on this rock, bring out the worst in people - all the bad traits like lying, deception, subterfuge and generally acting like a sore-loser crybaby.

People are falling for the propaganda hard and fast - It's no coincidence that where humans congregate we see lots of hate for our fellow man over thoughts we are encouraged to think. Look at YouTube, Facebook, twitter - arguably the most popular of the social network spectrum, just read a random selection of comments on a random topic - we're royally screwed as a race if we don't get our collective sh!t together - and pronto.

I look at the politicians as the players rolled out for public consumption and to keep us focused in the wrong direction. There is no logic in pushing a 2-party philosophy / mindset, unless you want to give the illusion of choice where everyone is pigeon-holed into black, white, religious, sexual preference, social status, political ideals.

Irrespective of who wins this election one thing is certain - approx 50% of the population will be disappointed, which works well in a divide-and-conquer sort of way.

Most humans have a base instinct of live and let live, don't harm anyone, beyond that there is the human ego.

enter propaganda.

US system seems to be on decay everywhere, traditionally bipartisan countries have had a surge of new parties out of nowhere, like Spain, that had a system designed so the two main parties distribute the power in a equilibrated manner and now that other parties have surge due to the people discomfort with the establishment Spain cannot even form a government.

Since the 90s there have been movements all around to make new constitutions, countries change and the needs and realities of the inhabitants may not be reflected in 200-300 years old papers, the process of making a new constitution could be beneficial, a way to everyone express their views, compromise to achieve a change supported by all the parties and a clean start for all governmental branches.

If the alternative is to allow the decay to continue until SHTF and probably an eventual civil war, perhaps a new constitution is not such a bad thing for USA.

I wonder what would happen if someone shots Trump, riots, militias, civil war? what happened when Regan got shot? it feels to me Americans are more hostile now to each other that they were in the 80s

2016 election in a nutshell.

I'll be honest.

Trump keeps it real.
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Like he said in Chicago:

"Our country needs to toughen up, folks."

^^
I couldn't agree more.