When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

It's not Lazar's story that fascinates me, or the seemingly coincidental convergence of science catching up with science fiction but rather the insistence of many to attack his character the peaks my brow.

That said, gravity as a wave is certainly nothing new.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
a reply to: 3danimator2014

so... not a fan?

Haha...um...no.

It annoys me that idiots like him capture people's interest with lies but real science, not so much.

a reply to: bananasam

Lazar was not the first person to discuss the possibility of gravitational waves, and he was not the first person to talk about the existence of element 115. Both of those ideas (the possibility of gravitational waves and element 115 existing) were square with mainstream science before Lazar ever made mention of them.

For Lazar to know about the possible existence of gravitational waves in the 1980s, all he would need to do would be read some readily-available scientific papers on the subject.

For Lazar to know about the possible existence of an element 115, all he would need to to is take a high school chemistry course and understand the periodic table and the existence of the unstable elements above 92.

I remember the periodic table in my high school textbook in the late 1970s included placeholders for element 115 (and others undiscovered elements). Even today, periodic tables have placeholders for undiscovered elements that are believed to exist.

All Lazar needed to do to know about the possible existence of gravitational waves and element 115 is to pay attention to the science of the day. It's not "incredible" at all that he discussed those things. For example, I could claim right now that element 120 exists, but when they eventual do discover it, it would not be an incredible feat that I just now claimed it existed.

You've gotta love Phage... Deals in nothing but hard, direct, blunt-force fact! lol

He is often the forest for the tree's.

a reply to: bananasam

i like lazar, but i suspect that 90-100% of the alien info he claims he was allowed to see was a smoke screen either fabricated by him or his employers. to me it seems he's telling the truth from his perspective.

anyone can say what they will about the guy but there are a few facts that i cant just ignore:

1. bob lazar knew exactly when and where as yet unknown aircraft would be tested on more than one occasion over area 51. they filmed the thing.

2. after insisting lazar was not at los alamos, the lab had to eat their words when reporter george knapp turned up a los alamos labs phone book in which lazar was listed. (why was he deleted from their records? with the proper "motivation" could other institutions have done something simmilar?)

3. the brothel court case. there is video of this trial in wich bob presents his navy department of intelligence w2, if it were fake he would have been charged with perjury. the judge even says, "its obvious its very diffecult to get information on bob lazar from the government....ENORMOUSLY DIFFICULT."

4. no education? regardless, he posessed the level of intelligence needed to build a personal particle accellerator in his backyard to manufacture an ingredient for the fuel used in the hydrogen powered car which he also built for fun. people like to claim that if he worked at los alamos he could have been a janitor. as an expiriment, please list all of historys custodial staff who built, maintained and used personal particle accellerators in their back yards for fun. This is what matters, either he was educated somewhere and the records were lost, or perhaps they were given the same treatment as his los alamos records obviously were, or he is simply naturally gifted with an intelligence usually not achived without a very high level of education. i dont care how he got so smart, all that matteres is that evidence suggests he is indeed smart enough.

5. element 115. george knapp says the guys who discovered the element were in contact with lazar during the process. guys like to cite the fact that the 115 that was found was unstable as proof that bob made up his story. just like there are different isotopes of hydrogen, bob says there are different versions of 115. the machine used to find the element requires the particle to be unstable to even detect it. had they created the lazar isotope with the right number of neutrons they wouldnt have a clue.

6. the recent discovery that gravity is indeed a wave as claimed by Bob Lazar many years ago. Frankly, there is enough other evidence that we could just ignore this one if we wanted to.

number 1 alone is enough for me to keep an open mind.

Was Bob Lazar the first person to say that alien space craft uses gravitational waves using element 115?

Do our celebrity scientists say interstellar ships would use gravity as a wave, to make it strong in the back and weak in the front which would also create a field around the craft pushing it through space? Don't they say to create wormholes you would need exotic matter?

Why is everyone outright dismissive of Bob Lazar?

a reply to: game over man

Why is everyone outright dismissive of Bob Lazar?

In this particular case, because he claimed that gravity is a wave.

I checked on united nuclear (Bob's company's website) and it used to state that the US Government was one of their biggest customers. If Bob was lying (or not) why would they do business with them? Unless, the big contracts helped you to keep your big mouth shut.... Just a thought. However, I believe Bob, 100%

a reply to: Fizzixist

If Bob was lying (or not) why would they do business with them?

You mean if he was lying about the US government being one of their biggest customers?

Of course, if their "biggest customers" bought $100 worth of stuff a year, maybe he wasn't lying.

originally posted by: game over man
Was Bob Lazar the first person to say that alien space craft uses gravitational waves using element 115?

Again, the possible existence of gravitational waves and element 115 were by no means unknown to science before Bob Lazar came along. Lazar was not the first person to mention these things.

As for using element 115 to make gravitational waves to propel a spacecraft? That's still not something science has said is real. I suppose when someone comes up with a method for propelling a spacecraft with gravitational waves using element 115, then I'll admit he may have known something secret.

a reply to: Phage

I meant if he was lying about working at S4 in 1989, showing is friends the test flights of the craft on Wednesday nights, getting caught, then going public so he wasn't "suicided". If he was lying, the Government would not be doing business with him. However, if he was telling the truth, what not give him a contract to help him remain quiet? Killing him after he let the cat out of the bag would only prove he was telling the truth. In my opinion.

a reply to: game over man

Because so many people love to hate others, is my guess.

They have to call names and denigrate maybe because that is the way they were raised, who knows?

But you're right that it is disgusting to behold, the darker side of the human condition, small minds that must discuss others instead of ideas.

i always though those time lapses of clouds that act like wave in the ocean also sort of verified that gravity worked in waves but i bet its some other sciecency sort of ave you guys are on about yeah?

a reply to: Fizzixist

If he was lying, the Government would not be doing business with him.

Why not? Assuming he actually did business with the government, that is. If he sold something they wanted at a good price?

I wonder though, what happened to his contract(s)? Maybe something having to do with this?
www.justice.gov...

Or maybe he lied about the contracts.
www.usaspending.gov...,2015,2014,2013,2011,2010,2009,2008&A=0&SS=USA&RN=United%20Nuclear

a reply to: haven123
No.
Gravity waves are not the same thing as gravitational waves.

originally posted by: game over man
Was Bob Lazar the first person to say that alien space craft uses gravitational waves using element 115?

Do our celebrity scientists say interstellar ships would use gravity as a wave, to make it strong in the back and weak in the front which would also create a field around the craft pushing it through space? Don't they say to create wormholes you would need exotic matter?

Why is everyone outright dismissive of Bob Lazar?

The question should be why would anyone believe him. I don't get it ....trust NO ONE. no one in the government, no scientists, no one who is contracted by the govt

But trust some guy who knew of an Einstein prediction (g waves), knew they were most likely to be discovered, so spoke about them...

He should have realised element 115 would be discovered and of course would be nothing like he predicted.

Although as a layperson with little education I cannot personally vouch for the assertions herein, this seems to be a good breakdown of why Bob Lazar's element 115 claims... well... break down.

podcast.sjrdesign.net...


More relevantly to this thread, it touches upon his claims regarding "gravity A" and "gravity B" waves as well, and explains why what he claimed simply isn't borne out.

This is another critique of his physics assertions:

Lazar Critique

With that in mind, as others have already pointed out, neither the existence of gravitational waves (which are not consistent with what he described anyway) nor element 115 (which is also not consistent with how he described it) were new or novel concepts at the time he elaborated on them.

As for the famous phone book, apparently his name appeared under a contractor called Kirk Meyer, and does not prove he worked for the lab other than in that capacity. Likewise, apparently his DoNI tax data indicated under a thousand dollars which, needless to say, suggests a brief period of employment (at least documented in that form.)

Personally, I'm forced to conclude that he's either just a hoaxer, that he's a disinformation disseminator by design, or that he actually witnessed some of the things he claimed, but embellished and/or misunderstood much of it particularly the technological specifics. In that order of probability, in my opinion. But I could always be wrong.


Peace.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: game over man

Why is everyone outright dismissive of Bob Lazar?

In this particular case, because he claimed that gravity is a wave.

Holy Crap!

I missed that part.

Harte

a reply to: bananasam

Gravitational waves were predicted in 1916 - literally a century ago - and have been discussed in physics by a myriad of people ever since, yet you use this as an excuse to validate Bob Lazar?

He is a sad and lonely fraud, he deserves pity.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: haven123
No.
Gravity waves are not the same thing as gravitational waves.