Why stop at socialism. Why not just go full communist?

a reply to: xuenchen

Thank you Komerade X.

I am pleased to be a part of the glorious peoples Basement!

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Because going full communist isn't a very good idea, that's why. Socialism, when implemented properly, is very effective. Our taxes are a form of socialism, but they are for the most part not implemented properly.

How well has capitalism worked out so far? Not very good. We've already gone "full-retard" with the system we have in place now, what's so bad about trying something new that seems to work perfectly well in other countries?

Your question is loaded.

These socialism has worked out great in all the countries it failed, and those soon to fail from it.

Capitalism is what made America what it is.

No solialist stare has done half as well for a quarter as long as America!

In fact, no nation in history has ever done as well or come as far as fast as America!

Rome comes in at second, and that is a very distant second.

America, built on capitalism, has become the richest nation in the history of man economically, politically, militarily and socially.

We have states that make more by GDP than most of the countries in the top 20 economies on earth.

Our poor, have cars, computers, smart phones etc...

In fact, being poor in America is better than being middle class in most the nation's on Earth.

All of it was built by capitalism, all of it.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yeah, we have seen the product(s) of communist nations. How communism does not work. How it is exploited by those in power, how when trusting those in power the 'people' become as you say, living in grandmas basement?

But is this not true of the capitalist system also? How it is exploited by those in power and how trusting those in power allows capitalism to mutate into crony capitalism and government propelled capitalism? And look at all the people in capitalist systems live on grannies couch, or worse.

I think that capitalism is a philosophy developed by men in an attempt to harness the energy of a people . But I think that communism is also a philosophy developed by men to harness that same energy and develop a lasting society that is best for all. Both I think.

But now we can see, via hindsight, the weaknesses of communism, it is after all a failed ideology. Why can we not see that the same is true of capitalism?

Both philosophies come out of philosophers of over 150 years ago. Neither philosophy or the people who invented them had any clue of the way the world would be in 2016, the pressures of population, the pressures of global environmental collapse, the depletion of natural resources. The pressures of societies that did not need to rely upon horse drawn conveniences, people who had to wait for weeks and months to converse with people a couple of hundred miles away.

So I do not defend communism or capitalism. I think that the time is well past where we must look for another manner of economic interaction, one that is based on how the world is and might be, rather than on how it once was.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You've seen a negative notion of individuality, personal responsibility? Where? Here on ATS or in life? Wherever you see this I've never experienced it or have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Got an example?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Consumerism is the new era.. mmm yummy things

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

It doesn't matter how much money YOU have saved up, other people aren't making enough money to save up to begin with today. Like I said, your situation does not reflect the current generation that is growing up in our country.

I am part of the "current generation." I'm working my a# off trying to make the right decisions in life. I made my own opportunities, I didn't live with my parents until I was 30 whining because I can't make more than 8$ an hour instead of finding alternatives. What you are implying is that people who are working really hard to have something in this screwed up society should just hand it all over to people who don't want to work? I hear a lot of people moaning about now jobs, but there are a lot of jobs out there, just not glorious jobs. The problem is people are lazy, and want everything handed to them.

Instead of blowing all of your money leasing a fancy car, or buying a new iphone every year, or buying a 72" TV, perhaps they should invest that into starting a business, or invest it into an account that will grow over time. People waste so much money on stupid crap all the time, and then wonder where their money went.

Some aspects of society should be socialized, but in the current point in history, socialism will just be a caveat for more corruption. Don't blame the system, find a way to work within the system.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
-Winston Churchill

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

It worked out well for me, but then again. . . I foolishly worked hard and saved.

Boy, am I a dumbass!

Me too. And just think , I coulda just as well had the other person's money.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Thing is, my money will be given to you as well . It's a mutual thing, not a one way street as many seem to think. When socialism is implemented PROPERLY, it can be a good thing because ideally it is a system that benefits everyone, unlike our current system which values personal gain above anything else.

Where has selfishness gotten us? Look at the state of the country right now and the billionaires who have taken advantage of the system to maximize their profits. They have rigged the system all in the name of personal gain, which is exactly what the foundation of capitalism is: profit.

a reply to: DBCowboy

pfft..light weight ideas brah.

I say we create a single global government, single currency, single law enforcement agency and single religion and give full control to the global elite bloodlines through the UN security council.

Then give everyone a trophy for participating and kill everyone who disagrees with this idea.

Then we will all be free to do what the global ministry of truth tells us to do.

Don't laugh - it's coming, the precious snowflakes are driving this agenda via their political correction train(wreck), and they don't even know it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
-Winston Churchill

Uhh...news alert , We do not have a "Democracy" . Never did and never will I hope. That is akin to mob rule.Wait. The "controlled" part of our Controlled Republic is unraveling daily.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yeah, we have seen the product(s) of communist nations. How communism does not work. How it is exploited by those in power, how when trusting those in power the 'people' become as you say, living in grandmas basement?

But is this not true of the capitalist system also? How it is exploited by those in power and how trusting those in power allows capitalism to mutate into crony capitalism and government propelled capitalism? And look at all the people in capitalist systems live on grannies couch, or worse.

I think that capitalism is a philosophy developed by men in an attempt to harness the energy of a people . But I think that communism is also a philosophy developed by men to harness that same energy and develop a lasting society that is best for all. Both I think.

But now we can see, via hindsight, the weaknesses of communism, it is after all a failed ideology. Why can we not see that the same is true of capitalism?

Both philosophies come out of philosophers of over 150 years ago. Neither philosophy or the people who invented them had any clue of the way the world would be in 2016, the pressures of population, the pressures of global environmental collapse, the depletion of natural resources. The pressures of societies that did not need to rely upon horse drawn conveniences, people who had to wait for weeks and months to converse with people a couple of hundred miles away.

So I do not defend communism or capitalism. I think that the time is well past where we must look for another manner of economic interaction, one that is based on how the world is and might be, rather than on how it once was.

I agree with everything you said!!! Except resource depletion.

You see, there is the exact same amount of every resource on earth today as there was 1,000 years ago.

It doesn't go away, it is all still here.

In fact we have actually gained resources nonstop over that same 1,000 years.

Because everyday tons more rain down on earth from space.

We cannot deplete this world as long as it all stays on it.

Until we are sending tons a day of stuff into space, we are still at a net gain of resources.

Depletion is a myth not supported by science.

In fact it is a flat out lie.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change form-law of conservation of matter

It is all still here, and one day, our recycling technology will catch up, and land fills will be the new gold rush!

a reply to: Swills

I see it everywhere here.

Just look at healthcare and even bringing up the topic where people should be responsible for their own care instead of having government tend to you!

All Hail The People's Basement!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Swills

I see it everywhere here.

Just look at healthcare and even bringing up the topic where people should be responsible for their own care instead of having government tend to you!

All Hail The People's Basement!

I would agree with you on this except... the entire medical industry is the worst scamming system known to man imo

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Swills

I see it everywhere here.

Just look at healthcare and even bringing up the topic where people should be responsible for their own care instead of having government tend to you!

All Hail The People's Basement!

Perhaps you should go live in the basement of some Insurance companies building. They are the one's realizing all the profits. More crony capitalism not socialism.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Obamacare is not socialist, it is a ponzi scheme in the guise of socialism.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I was thinking too small.

I need to be sent back to a re-education center.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I don't want your money.

I don't deserve your money.

I didn't earn your money.

I keep what I earned.

You keep what you earned.

a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

Miranda ...

Remember, they meant it for the best.

(Look up Serenity if you miss the reference)

a reply to: ketsuko

ill have to rewatch, mila is a cutie, or am i thinking of a different movie?????