What's the difference between Black Lives Matter and the Oregon militia?

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Spider879

Right, so if they released a statement as to how they're commonly misunderstood and it was posted on their own website, you would believe it?

Depending on what they mean as being misunderstood, if they said they were not a white supremacist org, then I'd have to point out their core founding principles as being contradictory..however the similarity is more akin to the TeaParty than to the Klan, world view notwithstanding, I go to an official Tea Party site about their core organizing principle it could in fact seems reasonable , if I paid attention to the rhetoric some of their members utters I would be appalled, but I have the commonsense to know that all do not fall into the category of babbling idiots. and some can make good sense ie Ron Paul and less so Rand Paul.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Not being from the USA I don't really understand the intricacies of either protest. From an outsiders PoV the differences seemed obvious and a great example of White privilige.

Agreed, so it's probably best that you lay off the assumptions. You couldn't be any more inaccurate than you already are in your point of view.

a reply to: TheTengriist

So THC doesn't impair you?

What's the difference between Black Lives Matter and the Oregon militia?

Civilized. Behavior.

a reply to: Spider879

And if they said they didn't represent white supremacy you wouldn't believe them. That's exactly how I feel about the "misconceptions" of BLM. I mean, why would they tell you anything that hurt their image? It's constant damage control for them.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Gryphon66

They didn't shut down over threats. They closed on their own, at their own discretion. The people in the Oregon deal stated, plainly, "We will be here as long as it takes," Bundy said. "We have no intentions of using force upon anyone, (but) if force is used against us, we would defend ourselves."

Some people were scared for absolutely no reason.

So Bundy said on one occasion there would be no trouble in the "deal in Oregon" and you take that as Gospel over the words of dozens of Harney Country citizens and officials?

Sure ... No bias there.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Spider879

And if they said they didn't represent white supremacy you wouldn't believe them. That's exactly how I feel about the "misconceptions" of BLM. I mean, why would they tell you anything that hurt their image? It's constant damage control for them.

Again there is no " IF" no hypothetical here, they are more similar to the Tea Party in that respect, that's where I'd make my hypothetical .

And within this thread is the very divide I was talking about. With these attitudes there can't be change.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: buster2010

If the kid was armed then why did he try to grab the cops gun?

He was hopped up.

Capable of anything.

Yes THC makes people extremely violent.

Its totally normal to rob convenience stores!

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: buster2010

If the kid was armed then why did he try to grab the cops gun?

He was hopped up.

Capable of anything.

Yes THC makes people extremely violent.

Its totally normal to rob convenience stores!

Yeah just look at the tens of millions of stores being robbed everyday by pot users. The stores in Colorado finally just put up signs saying just take whatever you want.

originally posted by: TheBulk

Its totally normal to rob convenience stores!

and push people smaller than you out of the way !!

One difference is that the ranchers do not disrupt republican and democratic speeches, the ranchers don't scream over everyone like lunatics, I could go on and on.

originally posted by: Spider879
Agree with some of what you said, however even before BLM came about many were calling for special prosecutors to handle cases like these , because cases like these often involves local prosecutors who have a very close working relationship with LEOs , much their wins depends on them so it's not too surprising that a prosecutor who could readily indite a ham sandwich often fails to bring a cop who is accused of abusing his power to trial, this is among one of the things Blacklivesmatter folks are pushing for.

This is true in some instances, sure, but what you're talking about there is a the legal system protecting its own, and not LEO racism and abuse of force--completely different conversation. But I agree that is a part of their mission, but not necessarily the crux of why BLM started. Actually, their claimed mission is pretty broad, but in the court of public opinion (and what they say about themselves when they seem to latch on to every death or injury of a black person by an LEO), their main concern is with the death of black people at the hands of law enforcement, regardless if the LEO(s) are/were justified in using said force.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Gryphon66

They didn't shut down over threats. They closed on their own, at their own discretion. The people in the Oregon deal stated, plainly, "We will be here as long as it takes," Bundy said. "We have no intentions of using force upon anyone, (but) if force is used against us, we would defend ourselves."

Some people were scared for absolutely no reason.

So Bundy said on one occasion there would be no trouble in the "deal in Oregon" and you take that as Gospel over the words of dozens of Harney Country citizens and officials?

Sure ... No bias there.

I'm stating that the Bundy's said there wouldn't be trouble or force used, a few citizens got scared and closed schools.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Spider879

And if they said they didn't represent white supremacy you wouldn't believe them. That's exactly how I feel about the "misconceptions" of BLM. I mean, why would they tell you anything that hurt their image? It's constant damage control for them.

Again there is no " IF" no hypothetical here, they are more similar to the Tea Party in that respect, that's where I'd make my hypothetical .

Roger... You can't read the blacklivesmatter.com and believe them.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Gryphon66

They didn't shut down over threats. They closed on their own, at their own discretion. The people in the Oregon deal stated, plainly, "We will be here as long as it takes," Bundy said. "We have no intentions of using force upon anyone, (but) if force is used against us, we would defend ourselves."

Some people were scared for absolutely no reason.

So Bundy said on one occasion there would be no trouble in the "deal in Oregon" and you take that as Gospel over the words of dozens of Harney Country citizens and officials?

Sure ... No bias there.

I'm stating that the Bundy's said there wouldn't be trouble or force used, a few citizens got scared and closed schools.

And you're ignoring the bulk of what the Bundy Gang actually said, why they said they were there, and you're making a baseless generalized comment about dozens of Harney County citizens based on your opinion and viewpoint an entire country away from them.

Big whoop.

"We have basically taken over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. And this will become a base place for patriots from all over the country to come and be housed here and to live here. And we're planning on staying here for several years." Calling his group "the point of the spear," Ammon Bundy called on like-minded militants to "bring your arms."

Rolling Stone - January 3, 2016

One of many sources if RS is too "lib" for you.

This was nothing resembling a "peaceful protest" this was an occupation with the intention to set up a militant (if not terrorist) training camp.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Do you think the employees of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge who have not be able to go to work or attend to their duties have been put out or inconvenienced at all?

Refuge Employees Break Silence On Armed Occupation

From that link:

The refuge employees are still getting paid as the occupation stretches into its third week. Some workers are able to do their jobs remotely. For others, the agency has found temporary work in other locations.

For the federal employees who have stuck around, law enforcement said recently that the threats from militants have continued.

Sure, they been inconvenienced, but it's temporary, and they haven't lost any compensation for their job. Some of them can "telework," as the government calls it, and others had to be temporarily relocated for work. Okay--I remember this one time that I was relocated for 4 years because of a federal job that I had, with no real choice as to where I went. They'll get over the inconvenience. The people who had property and livelihoods destroyed by BLM in some of their "protests," on the other hand, were a little more than inconvenienced.

And I'd love to see the proof of threats against the families and their bank accounts. I'm not saying that they didn't happen, but a story that has no specifics in it (that I could find) to back up the hearsay from one person (and authorities, apparently) doesn't provide much proof.

How about the residents of Harney County where roads have been closed and schools shut down?

Well, I'm willing to bet that this was done out of an "abundance of caution" on the part of the authorities, and I doubt it was necessary to be done.

Again, a high school girl wondering what to do about an armed intruder and a kindergartener with stories about guys in her trees really doesn't speak to much. Sorry.

I didn't say that some in the community isn't bothered by this, but for every story from near-toddlers about men in trees, you'll find someone supporting the reason why the militia was there, so this is not one-sided at all.

But like I maintain--I don't think these guys acted accordingly, but I think much of the fear discussed by some residents is unnecessary concern, but concern nonetheless.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Name the BLM protest that has shut down anything, any town anywhere for over a month?

Actually don't bother ... there haven't been any.

Despite the personal anecdotes, assumptions and disjointed metaphors ... the facts remain clear.

(Along with the attempt to minimize what these Bundy Occupiers did and the effect they had into non-existence.)

I think the point is made. Thanks for your input!

The Oregon Ranchers dont manufacture fake hate crimes.

wnyt.com...

The Albany County district attorney is now investigating the circumstances surrounding a weekend brawl on a CDTA bus that's fueled racial tension among students at the University at Albany.
Three young black women say they were attacked by a group of white students at 1 a.m. Saturday.

Officials, including the Albany County DA, are looking at security video from inside the bus. The bus had at least 12 cameras on it, which include audio. Sources tell NEWS10 ABC the video is damaging the young women’s accusations.

a reply to: TheBulk

Perhaps ... But their adherents and acolytes have certainly "manufactured" a murder.