After Living in Norway, America Feels Backward. Here’s Why.

a reply to: Swills

The blind is commenting to the blind...

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Sargeras

Because you say so? Because Trump says so?

A part of me wants Trump to be elected just so all of his supporters will see what damage and broken promises he brings.

He knows business and a bad deal when he sees one.

If America wins, he wins, that is a fact.

He has promoted everything I said, because it is smart, it was in place to stop all of the good paying jobs from leaving.

NAFTA ended that, thanks Bill...

Then open borders drove wages into the floor, requiring a welfare state so full time workers, 1/2 of the labor force in fact, could simply afford to eat and have shelter at the wages they get.

It is BS!!

The status quo politicians caused this and keep it in place.

Just end it, problem solved.

As an American I recognize our country has a big problem with greed. It's embarrassing really.

I'm at a loss as to how to change the materialistic attitudes that prevail in a Capitalist country. Technically, our country is sort of functioning as it was designed to do. We've perverted it though.

Without a majority rejecting materialism - I gotta have that boat, jet ski, flat-screen, computer, et all, ad nauseum , ad infinitum - nothing will change for the better.

Personally, I'd forego what little I own and pay higher taxes to have true national health care like Scandinavia or France or Canada, but then I'm in poor health and this is a selfish desire.

Mea culpa.

originally posted by: 23432


Increasingly the Service & Manufacturing needs no Humans at large scale.

Arts , Sports , Culture are the areas the humans will be needed .

100 years from today people will look back and pity us work slaves .

USA will probably catch up at some point in next 20 years .

This is what I keep trying to tell people. We reached peak manufacturing employment in 1975. We're now in the era of deindustrialization. This is why all these rust belt cities have shed up to half of their populations. The economy is not going to ever replace these good paying blue collar jobs. People are basically being pushed into service jobs that don't pay as well and are the next on the chopping block — then what?

We won't see any major changes as long as politics continues to blind a good chunk of the population who believe that the the evil axis of regulation, unions, illegal immigrants and lazy welfare recipients are keeping America from being "great again."

Here's the simple truth folks: companies are all about profit. Human labor is expensive. Companies will continue to evolve to require less and less workers.

We can fill our rivers with toxic chemicals, put children to work in factories, outlaw unions, defund welfare and forcibly deport most illegal immigrants and it WON'T MATTER. It simply won't matter. Our political discourse is lagging decades behind our economic realities.

a reply to: Restricted

I am willing to make concessions for a stronger community as well. They don't even have to be major concessions really, the thing is is if everyone can see the benefits of a better stronger community it raises the bar for all of us in the end.

a reply to: onequestion

I want the entire world to be a better place!

And people in hell want ice water...

a reply to: theantediluvian

Good point.

Technology is quickly replacing the need for a human workforce, so what do we do?

a reply to: NewzNose

I like to think in terms of what's possible not in terms of what I can't do.

Call me a dreamer but I almost achieved a dream with gods blessing, an un breakable willpower and the work ethic of ten work horses.

Never did I think I couldn't do it I just did what was in front of me.

I make it my goal not to work hard for the man. That means that I have to take steps such as getting a new education so that I can work in a field I like and after that, getting a job that I like. I think it is also more important to think of job satisfaction than salary.

Although there seems to be a limited amount of things one can do to stay empowered in their own lives, there really are a lot more than that if one gets a bit creative and puts some effort into enjoying life outside work and societal day-to-day junk. The work and societal day-to-day stuff can also be spiced up a bit and enjoyed.

Bottom line: Things are better over there, but a bit of creativity and passion makes it possible to avoid working for the man in the U.S. too.

a reply to: nwtrucker
Bitter bitter NWT....but your ethos will not work for the new millennium....
I pity you when they bring out the self driving Kenworth....in a couple years....

a reply to: bandersnatch

I thought they hit the fleet already?

I heard self driving trucks were coming. The job already doesn't make that much for the amount of work it is.

yeah, jammin' gears gives one a sore neck really fast....

worth twice what is......

Im just poking NWT because hes so gung ho workoholoic and so sure that's whats the answer....
But its true....self driving trucks are coming along with a host of other technologies that make human input obsolete on the job...
Imagine you are a carpenter or bricklayer NWT, they are PRINTING 3 story buildings in China, and ten houses a day in Cali....
Much of what we do will be more efficient if robotized....20 yrs will see a whole new work force...

a reply to: bandersnatch

Nope, not bitter in the slightest. I've had my share of miles. A few months more, maybe a year...that's it.


More like fairly content. A daughter that is simply the best. Two good grandchildren...no complaints at all.

a reply to: nwtrucker
No offense...I got my years in the bush....but really, theres a radical mindset change that's got to preceed the next decade of slumping employment...people have to look within themselves to make the crossover.....leisure will have a new meaning....

a reply to: bandersnatch


I'm much more concerned about the near future. Basically, the issues of leisure is one I'd love to be stuck with.


If we get there....

originally posted by: 23432


Increasingly the Service & Manufacturing needs no Humans at large scale.

Arts , Sports , Culture are the areas the humans will be needed .

100 years from today people will look back and pity us work slaves .

USA will probably catch up at some point in next 20 years .

Mm-Hmm

originally posted by: bandersnatch
a reply to: nwtrucker
Bitter bitter NWT....but your ethos will not work for the new millennium....
I pity you when they bring out the self driving Kenworth....in a couple years....

And kill people because they didn't figure out how to get them to drive in inclement weather

I say we put all socialists in prison and feed them and give them a roof over their heads so they'll stop complaining and deliberately sabotaging everything that isn't socialist. They can have all their basic living necessities taken care of and they can get up close and personal with the concept of the gulag.

a reply to: onequestion


The main difference between Norway and the US is on how Money is spent based on whats in the best Interest of the United States Of America. Now, you can argue if that is the american People or the governments and its elite friends.


Right of the bat i can tell you that Our government in Norway couldent dream of having a military budjet like the US have. How would Our government defend that to the People?
They would have had to use the same form of political arguments the US government use towards its People

.... Terror,terror, keeps us safe, terror, terror.


We dont feel that we have to spend 610++ billion dollares a year to keep us safe. And about 189,8 billion dollars a year to make sure we have enemies around the world (implimented American intelligence interests). 80,1 billion of this is Defense Intelligence and this amount is classified. But it is at least 80,1 billion.