I am in utter disbelief that this 'Flat-Earth' nonsense has gained some attention

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: ignorant_ape

You beat me to it

We don't have to know the details......

Well I suppose, when faced with the flat earth crowd, one could jump up and down, clapping their hands together with spastic glee, over joyed by the "obvious" ignorance they've discovered in "others". Not really a very impressive trick when it comes right down to it.

OR, one could quietly go about searching out the "flat earths" in their own thinking/positions, successfully done, a much more impressive and profitable bit of work.

To each his own I suppose.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Have you made an important obsevation yet like.. Ummmm.....Why does the boat mast appear first on the horizon and then the super structure, then the hull. And why is it inverse as it sails away?

What craziness is this? You'll be saying next that someone could follow the boat and watch it disappear over the horizon again.

You're out of your mind!

The horizon is caused by perspective and things are being cut of bottom first when they go over the perspective horizon.

This has been demonstrated many times.

There is no proof or any evidence for curvature in the distance to the perspective horizon(which is further away than the supposed curvature drop horizon, this has also been demonstrated) and any cut off beyond the horizon is due to perspective.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Because, the calculator I use at least, takes refraction into account and the supposed resulting curvature drop value still doesn't add up.

a reply to: FlatBastard

All I'd like to say is Merry Christmas to you. You know and I know that 'flat Earth' is nonsense

I actually admire your work - no BS. You've got an extraordinary talent for drawing people into these debates; nobody else comes close.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Merry Christmas to you too.

One thing you said there is not true. I am actually serious about this, and 99% convinced that the Flat Earth is our reality.

This is not (just) for kicks.

a reply to: FlatBastard


that just makes this even more farcical

a reply to: FlatBastard

please cite how you caluclate the degree of refraction

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: FlatBastard

please cite how you caluclate the degree of refraction

That all depends on time of day, temperatures of air and ground, height and distance being viewed, some curvature calculators already add atmospheric refraction to their calculations such as this one.


www.metabunk.org...

There are others out there, i use the one i posted earlier.

a reply to: NNN87

this is why you should allways double check that you are using the " correct " sock puppet

nut thanks for confirming that refraction is due to variables that cannot be realistically calculated

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: NNN87

this is why you should allways double check that you are using the " correct " sock puppet

Whoops. This is why I never bother.

originally posted by: FlatBastard

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Have you made an important obsevation yet like.. Ummmm.....Why does the boat mast appear first on the horizon and then the super structure, then the hull. And why is it inverse as it sails away?

What craziness is this? You'll be saying next that someone could follow the boat and watch it disappear over the horizon again.

You're out of your mind!

The horizon is caused by perspective and things are being cut of bottom first when they go over the perspective horizon.

This has been demonstrated many times.

There is no proof or any evidence for curvature in the distance to the perspective horizon(which is further away than the supposed curvature drop horizon, this has also been demonstrated) and any cut off beyond the horizon is due to perspective.

That makes no sense. Willing to bet it hasnt been proven due to perpective.

This is the real world not a flemish painting on a 2 dimensional canvas.

Hey bet your soul to me if your so confident. Me needs more slaves to do my bidding for eternity.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: NNN87

this is why you should allways double check that you are using the " correct " sock puppet

nut thanks for confirming that refraction is due to variables that cannot be realistically calculated

No, they can be calculated, but calculations very depending on a lot of things, the calculator is using a standard calculation for refraction, assuming a certain time of day and temperatures.

There is also a refraction calculator online, but it doesn't account for a large enough difference, especially considering one can make the same observation constantly on a day to day, multiple times a day basis, goes against all curvature logic.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: FlatBastard

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Have you made an important obsevation yet like.. Ummmm.....Why does the boat mast appear first on the horizon and then the super structure, then the hull. And why is it inverse as it sails away?

What craziness is this? You'll be saying next that someone could follow the boat and watch it disappear over the horizon again.

You're out of your mind!

The horizon is caused by perspective and things are being cut of bottom first when they go over the perspective horizon.

This has been demonstrated many times.

There is no proof or any evidence for curvature in the distance to the perspective horizon(which is further away than the supposed curvature drop horizon, this has also been demonstrated) and any cut off beyond the horizon is due to perspective.

That makes no sense. Willing to bet it hasnt been proven due to perpective.

This is the real world not a flemish painting on a 2 dimensional canvas.

Hey bet your soul to me if your so confident. Me needs more slaves to do my bidding for eternity.

Its actually a very basic phenomena.

en.m.wikipedia.org...(visual)

Read on Aerial perspective also.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

That makes no sense. Willing to bet it hasnt been proven due to perpective.

It makes perfect sense. I have demonstrated this in another thread.

This is the real world not a flemish painting on a 2 dimensional canvas.

Are you for real? You are suggesting that in 3d reality, we don't deal with perspective? What is it about perspective that people have such a hard time with? It's not even up for debate, it is a simple reality that we encounter in our vision, always.

The only reason artists use the laws of perspective, is because it allows them to mimic our view of reality exactly. Ffs man.

Hey bet your soul to me if your so confident. Me needs more slaves to do my bidding for eternity.

Your confusion about the hierarchy here, is amusing, fallen one.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Standard refraction is about 7%. If you had payed attention you would have known that I use Metabunk's curve calculator which takes this into account.

Even realistically varying refraction values can't explain the lack of curvature.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Flat Earth is a legitimate topic now and there is no stopping it.

a reply to: FlatBastard

flat earth has never been a legitimate topic - its utter bollox

but hey if you wish to demonstrate to the world that you are a moron - hey - " no stopping it "

a reply to: NNN87

a reply to: FlatBastard

as you are the same person - one reply fitts all

thanks for playing - you have now admitted that you are using assumptions in your calculations

there is nonthing inherently wrong in that

if it was not for the fact that you have berated me and others for using assumptions in our calculations

so hey - you are a dishonest hypocrite - most of us knew this - but having it in writing is usefull for the education of others

lastly - you asked why i posted a pic of the maunsel sea forts - now you know - you cannot accuratly calculate refraction over water - as key variables can not be accuratly measured

one of the most obvious - and hardest to get right = temperature

air temp on the beach is no reliable indication of air temp 5 kilometers out to sea


next - you inane dribbelings about perspective :

perspective is not real - its an perceptual illusion

to understand this - look down a train track

the rails are NOT actually converging

last - stop being a pathetic one trick pony - you idnore and evade everyu real scientiffic measurment and principal and observation that shows the earth is infact a spheroid

fook this - i am done

a reply to: ignorant_ape

flat earth has never been a legitimate topic

I didn't say it was......

you are a moron

A foxy moron.