Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: jacygirl

SkidMark...Nooo! Not Phage! I once told him I "loved him in Footloose", lol...I don't think he's talking to me.

Okay, I imagine if he was dancing it might be something like this:

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Thanks for the clarification and a little hope in the bleak perspective of FATE. It makes sense to me, actually... and I hope you impart your techniques as stated.

The "not knowing what you really want" thing is SO true... for instance, the guy sitting at home alone, vaguely wishing for a real-live woman to romp with might long for some vixen in theory, but down deep, wonders if a relationship won't get in the way of his achieving level 100 in Mutant Warrior II.. .so he resorts to strange porn from slavers in the Eastern Block, once again, heh...

In my own inner searching, I've found my own circumstances to be ...perfect... in respect to my true inclinations, anyway. I wonder if I can master those inclinations to achieve a "better" circumstance, though.

And then there's that old "we ALL grow old and die" and the answer is that there are limits to the possibilities in alternate dimensions ... or ? Do we all jump to the reality where cheap immortality pills are passed out? What about the crappy realities? Empty? (kidding, sorta... I postulate that it's concurrent movies playing and consciousness just jumps into a favorite one).

a reply to: Raxoxane

Wowee.. .that was ... many levels of astounding.. . cool and thanks... makes me think of the scarab beetle at the window that got Jung (eta: sung/dung heh) into synchronicity.

And yeah, when mellow and in pristine environs (or sampling strange concoctions) I've gotten the distinct message that Gaia is a "real" entity... and some actual biology points to it, too (like all of it, heh... but Lovelock's hypothesis, in particular).

An overlooked aspect is how the world is made of language.

Indigenous peoples know and understand this. The world to them, is as it's described. If you get a small group of people together in a closed room and talk to them at length for hours, their world slowly becomes that of which you talk about to them.

If you think about language, it's something we take for granted all the time. It's really quite mysterious when you ponder it.

For example, if you and I were in physical proximity -- the thoughts in my head would become noises, travel across the distance to your ears, into your brain and be reconstructed into the images that were/are in my head. This is a very real form of telepathy. I can make you "see" what I "see" with my mind's eye by making small mouth noises, transmitted by vibrations carried through the air.

It's a crude form of communication, one that we've certainly refined from simple grunts and body language though. Who knows what other exotic and baroque forms of communication exist using methods and mediums we're not aware of or open to?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yes! Watched a documentary about a tribe that spoke in a series of clicks and whistle sounds.

What does everybody feel about "incantations"....? Do they summons something?

I'm curious because I think about music concerts, where more than 100,000 people are all singing the same lyrics at the same time...and wonder if that has any...effect.
Mass meditation and prayer groups.

I start thinking 'dark'...meaning that I theorize that Hollywood urges us to attend these gatherings, to sing these song lyrics....for reasons other than our own entertainment. (likely I'm alone in left field)

Anybody?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Language if an often overlooked aspect, anyway.. .some folks I know are immersed in it up to their armpits. But sure, every language is a different ...er operating system, to relate us to computers, again.

But then there is the pure, 'prelingual ' aspect of ...well, some telepathy I've experienced, where a simple reaching out of pure "me-ness" interacts with the "you-ness" that defies description and is rare to notice with all the distractions we experience, but is there, anyway (or so I think).

Reminds me of that Language of Vampyre thread of Kandsveldt's ...or Stephenson's "Snowcrash" (to make it a "pop" concept, anyway).

a reply to: jacygirl

Ohhhh... the ritualistic power of huge music concerts.. .there's some real 'magik' in them thar concert halls, fer sure!

Some "seers" I know stay away from them as they see hulking critters lapping up the yummy vibes.. .but personally, I think they're silly, heh, and if some critter needs feeding, and I have a wild good time 'feeding' them, so what?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Nicely done.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

The only question worth asking in these type of discussions is:

"Who jumps between realities"?

If someone answers that question incorrectly,
Then the entire discussion becomes pointless.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, in a way -- everyone. Consciousness itself is indistinguishable and singular, having many, many multiple experiences from varying vantage points and perspectives, and it's incredible hard -- if not impossible to describe because it's before time and space (or outside it, matter of perspective once again). So your idea of "the past" is more or less a way to describe it.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Actually consciousness isn't what people think it is..but yes...in a manner of speaking saying that we live in the past is a bit of a trick....a "golden shackle" as they say in the business.

But it's a Good one.

Kev

Baddogma

Is interesting and one of the things I shorthand to "puerile" when saying most religious dogma just doesn't cut it for me and seems far more human than something revealed from a higher perspective... mostly.

I don't want to assume to speak for all Christians as I am but one, However I think the problem lies in many Christians understanding of the mindset of the people in the middle and near east at the time of the Bibles writing.
When Christians read their Bibles it is important and I would say necessary to try to avoid reading it from a 21st century perspective. If they want to know what the Bible was attempting to teach them then they need to keep in mind, that if the Bible is true they need to read and try to understand it as it was understood to those who were inspired to write it.

In short if one is a Christian and believe the Bible is true;
you can say the Bible was written for you, but you cannot claim the Bible was written to you.

Keeping this idea in mind the Bible becomes a much more interesting book to read.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeah, it's a twist on the way I see it. lol

And I get why you put "god" in quotes. LOL It too isn't what people think.

A lot of these topics are impossible to really discuss with words. What we're trying to discuss can't be represented because all we can describe are experiences which are just faximilies of other experiences. It's like making shapes of other things inside a sandbox but you can't represent/make the sand or the sandbox itself.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

A lot of these topics are impossible to really discuss with words. What we're trying to discuss can't be represented because all we can describe are experiences which are just faximilies of other experiences. It's like making shapes of other things inside a sandbox but you can't represent/make the sand or the sandbox itself.

Yup, but word's is all I got, and if I reached out and grokked you, the nice folks trying to follow along might be disappointed. But I entirely agree.

a reply to: Punisher75

In short if one is a Christian and believe(s) the Bible is true; you can say the Bible was written for you, but you cannot claim the Bible was written to you.

Uh-huh... interesting. Touches on a problem with a deeply "mystical" system that most aren't equipped to handle and the chaos and misery that evolves from human mistaken interpretations... and why religious systems might do more harm than good when half (or far less) is really understood.

a reply to: Baddogma

A public service announcement...

There are two main approaches to let us call it "attain freedom while yet alive".

Lets call them the left hand path of knowing yourself and the right hand path of "service".

The left hand path has the undeserved reputation of being "evil" and the right hand path has the undeserved reputation of being "good".

I took the left hand path. Its like jumping off a mountain and into the mouth of a waiting shark, who consumes you and excreted you as waste.

It can be "highly effective" --- so-called "liberation" in a single "lifetime".

Others take the right hand path and it can take a billion "lifetimes".

But there's no race...and in fact no reason to do either....it just works that way sometimes.

Now when someone ACTUALLY "finishes" the left hand path (there are measurable and quantifiable steps and results, then it can go one of two ways.

1) They take "their" "knowledge" to the grave and help no one". Its very tempting.

2) They can learn the right hand path next and double down on their "personal" "suffering.

There you go.

The same goes for right hand path people....they either die or do the left hand path next.

You won't hear this anywhere else on Earth
That I'm aware.

Now most "new agers" are on neither path and I don't like to waste time with them.

But that's just me.

"I'm flawed".

I hope that provided some value....I don't know
How things will go for "me".

Best,

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That sounds to me like STS (service to self) vs STO (service to others).

I am absolutely here in STO mode, apparently doing a double-down.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I love it when you drop the mystic info bombs some wear silly hats and get spanked on every Tuesday for their whole lives to find. Clumsily worded, but I think I got across my point... so 'danke schon' and now I don't have to join the Local Thelama or Rosicrusian 109 lodge, heh.

a reply to: Punisher75

When Christians read their Bibles it is important and I would say necessary to try to avoid reading it from a 21st century perspective. If they want to know what the Bible was attempting to teach them then they need to keep in mind, that if the Bible is true they need to read and try to understand it as it was understood to those who were inspired to write it.

I think that's a brilliant point and one often overlooked. How can we know the mindsets of the Iron Age writers? Only from other texts and that, as mentioned above, is where we can fail with language. It's so hard to be sure what the intent and the meaning of each word was at that time and to that person. We take their words and filter them through our cultural goggles and try to make sense of them as a whole.
Their metaphors, their trends and biases are lost to us - we can only guess and hope that the meaning we give the Bible (and other ancient books) are as close as possible to the original intent.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What about those of us who prefer wandering off the paths to bluebell filled oak groves instead? I could continue that analogy, but for the sake of public decency I won't.

Are you thinking that we have only two choices in life? That feels restrictive and bleak somehow. Or am I misunderstanding you?