The Iran Nuclear Deal----- A Safer World, or The Grand Appeasement!

a reply to: kendix1960

You never did answer what Israel has done to be seen as the democratic buffer in that zone...

a reply to: Sremmos80

Israel fights terrorism in its own country and diminishes the influence of groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and certain elements of the P.L.O., maintaining her own democracy while surrounded by enemies out to destroy her and which refuse to even recognize her right to exist. That is quite a buffer against radical oppressive regimes in the region. You may not like the answer and you are entitled to see things differently. But once again, I'd hate to see this region without Israel's presence and influence there.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Israel is an inspiration to the rest of the world as she tries to survive in a region surrounded by enemies bent on her destruction and who refuse to recognize her right to exist. As a leader in technological innovations, medical advances, and Rx drugs, Israel tries to maintain restraint against her enemies while trying to protect her own citizens from daily assaults and stabbings at the hands of Palestinian citizens encouraged by the P.L.O. and Abbas.

a reply to: kendix1960

That is quite a buffer against radical oppressive regimes in the region.

You just described how Israel deals with internal issues, while glossing over their acts of aggression, I asked what they have done for the region.
All they care about is expanding into Palestine and wiping them off the map and then having the US do the rest of the dirty work.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Palestinians are stabbing Jewish citizens in the back on an almost daily basis encouraged to do so by their leader Abbas, president of the P.L.O. while those same Jewish citizens are simply trying their best to carry on as best they can in their daily lives. But Israel nevertheless continues to take the forefront with medical advances and wonder Rx drugs as well as in various technological innovations which are of benefit to both the M.E. and the entire world.

When Israel is forced to strike back against her enemies which constantly bomb areas of the countryside with rockets, she tries as hard as possible to avoid harm to people in concentrated civilian areas in harms way warning them to evacuate in advance. Israel's terrorist neighbors like Hamas, on the other hand, use their own civilians as human shields to achieve unwarranted political advantage against them through negative propaganda.

Israel is a true beacon of light in a region of darkness as she continues her best to survive against enemies on all sides who refuse to even recognize her right to exist.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You actually believe Iran want to nuke someone? Get real bro.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: kendix1960

How about the option of leaving the sanctions intact and forcing Iran to make a better deal in the first place while we could still operate from a position of strength? All that has happened is that a very tangled web has been weaved.

So wait, your idea was to continually hold out on them until everybody got 100% of what they wanted?

Does anybody know what diplomacy is in the 21st century?

That was a good deal, if you consider the alternatives in place at this time. No giant weave has been tangled. Iran either complies or it doesn't.

Besides most of the sanctions don't get lifted for, wait for it:

TEN WHOLE YEARS.

~Tenth

Many of us are aware of what diplomacy is. Just not this snip...

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

It' s you who better get real! It may not be the U.S. they want to hit, at least not in the immediate future because they can't yet, but they sure are and will continue to be an existential threat to Israel!

originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: Sremmos80

Israel is an inspiration to the rest of the world as she tries to survive in a region surrounded by enemies bent on her destruction and who refuse to recognize her right to exist. As a leader in technological innovations, medical advances, and Rx drugs, Israel tries to maintain restraint against her enemies while trying to protect her own citizens from daily assaults and stabbings at the hands of Palestinian citizens encouraged by the P.L.O. and Abbas.

I'm seeing a lot of destruction and Israel is receiving none of it....

a reply to: kendix1960

Bullsh1t. They won't attack anyone. Do you really believe the tripe you write? Don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Stay safe, get real, and wake up! You bet I believe in what I write. Foul language has no place in serious political discourse. Don't blame the messenger for the message!

a reply to: kendix1960

Well you caught me at a bad time, sorry for the profanity. I maintain though, Iran aren't looking to attack anyone. I think they just want to be a part of the modern world. Persia has a very deep history and is pobably one of the most promising countries to reform the medeaval stance that a lot of middle eastern countries have.

They've done it before, they can do it again.

On a side note, western intervention sent the middle east back a thousand years in ideology. Ask any of the old timers here...

a reply to: kendix1960

How about the option of leaving the sanctions intact and forcing Iran to make a better deal

Iran has had 33 sanctions applied, each after one another since 1979. Hasn't changed a thing, hasn't changed Irans stance. More sanctions won't make a difference. It's either diplomacy or war if you want a result. Which one do you choose?

a reply to: Southern Guardian
I think it is pretty clear what the OP chooses. Sadly...

originally posted by: kendix1960
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Sorry. I'm neither conservative nor liberal. Neither Democrat or Republican. Just a concerned American who trusts political labels and broad generalizations even less than I trust the republic of Iran!

But you trust Israel ?

That must make you something, because Iran has done an unmeasurable amount of less damage to America than them.

a reply to: ParasuvO

And just what does it make me? Iran is an existential threat to Israel, and Israel is America's greatest ally!!

a reply to: xuenchen

Maybe Iran sees the US and Israel as an existential threat to their survival, the invasions of Libya Iraq, Syria on spurious grounds come to mind.

You forget the terrorism caused by USA/British interests in creating the situation to allow ascendancy of a theocratic Muslim rule to begin with. Why is that?

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Reza's reign, the Iranian oil industry was briefly nationalized, under the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, until a US and UK-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms.

Why doesnt International Law apply to the USA? . Thats right they have the bigger guns

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Specifically, Pahlavi was accused of committing crimes against Iranian citizens with the help of his secret police, the SAVAK. Iranians saw the decision to grant him asylum as American complicity in those atrocities. In the United States, the hostage-taking was seen as an egregious violation of the principles of international law, which granted diplomats immunity from arrest and made diplomatic compounds inviolable.[4][5][6][7]

Then theres always the double standard

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A 2005 report, presented at the 36th session of the International Civil Aviation Organization, reported that the U.S. sanctions had endangered the safety of civil aviation in Iran because it prevented Iran from acquiring parts and support essential for aviation safety. It also stated that the sanctions were contrary to article 44 of the Chicago convention (to which the US is a member). The ICAO report said aviation safety affects human lives and human rights, stands above political differences, and that the assembly should bring international public pressure on the United States to lift the sanctions against Iran.[30]

The European Union had been critical of most of the U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. Some EU Member States have criticized ILSA as a "double standard" in U.S. foreign policy, in which the United States vigorously worked against the Arab League boycott of Israel while at the same time promoted a worldwide boycott of Iran. The EU Member States had threatened formal counter-action in the World Trade Organization.[6]

a reply to: DBCowboy

A terror sponsoring Nation threatened USA and got what they wanted, thats Israel for you

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They named it after the biblical figure Samson, who pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had captured him, mutilated him, and gathered to see him further humiliated in chains. They contrasted it with ancient siege of Masada where 936 Jewish Sicarii committed mass suicide rather than be defeated and enslaved by the Romans.[15][16]

In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of "very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.[17][18][19][20][21]

Seymour Hersh writes that the "surprising victory of Menachem Begin's Likud Party in the May 1977 national elections... brought to power a government that was even more committed than Labor to the Samson Option and the necessity of an Israeli nuclear arsenal."[22]

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Israel has the absolute right to defend itself, the absolute right to survive, and the right to be recognized as a free and sovereign nation.

a reply to:Muse7:

As predicted, Iran has violated the terms of the Iran Nuclear deal with several ballistic missile tests since the sanctions against them were lifted by the United States and it's world partners, and Iran has continued to export terrorism through it's principal surrogate, Hamas.