You cannot fight globalism

a reply to: gosseyn

I say that it will not happen.

It could extend across Europe and Northern America but only a mild version of it.Then it will just fade away.

The European parliament is a laughable set up. it consists of morons and robots (excepts for a few rebels). These zombie-like members seem to attend the sessions for the purpose of keep-fit only. Their right arms just spring up every time a new law is proposed and voted on. They try and pass a hundred or so laws in the week and the members get to improve their blood circulation in the limbs

The rest of the world still believes in diversity and national identity.

a reply to: gosseyn

What, in your opinion, is 'globalism'?

I've always said everything in life is about balance and this issue is no different. In this case we're essentially talking about a balance between centralization and decentralization. Both have some desirable properties and both have some undesirable properties. For example, imagine if all the states in the U.S. merged into a single state which had one set of laws. That would be pretty crappy if you ask me because one of the best things about the U.S. is the autonomy each state has and how you can just move to another state if you don't like the laws in your current state. The nations on Earth are much the same, some have terrible laws whilst others have more reasonable laws and they are better places to live.

If all nations on Earth merged into one we would lose all of that diversity and be left with a singular option, all choices would be stripped from us. But of course there are also benefits which come along with a one world government, we could more easily monitor and control things such as the population size, resource consumption, etc. We would probably also see the number of wars drop dramatically and the poorer nations would get a much larger cut of the pie as they become part of a global community. It would be a fatal mistake however to seek a one world government as a solution to global poverty and war. Sacrificing our diversity and individualism in the name of the greater good is not a wise trade off.

But we can fight for who's the heads of it.

I believe in globalization but different areas still need to have at least the power of what the states in the US have now and of course the people in "power" must be there for the right reason.

I don't why more people don't feel the need to govern honorably? Once your dead and gone, people will still look up to good leaders of the past...this is what I would like to be remembered, not being the richest or most powerful.

a reply to: gosseyn

One world utopist are the biggest fools on the planet (or they believe they will be the leaders of the Party).

The inevitable result of a One World Government is Totalitarian Tyranny.


But yes, it has been predicted, the world government prophesied for the endtime 2,000 years ago.:

Control of the coming endtime government will be consolidated into the totalitarian hands of the Antichrist. The dragon, gives this world governmental system its seat, power, and great authority (Revelation 13:2).

Revelation 13:7 states that power will be given to the Antichrist over “all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Verse 3 says, “And all the world wondered after the beast.” Daniel 7:23 tells of a world governmental system ruled by the Antichrist, “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.” The prophecy then states that this world government will rule the world until the Second Coming.

Which is WHY ,at this time, we ARE indeed fighting it.

a reply to: gosseyn
We are already living in a globalist economy in many ways, and have for the past few generations. But ya your right everybody has there flavor and definition of "globalism" Eventually its going to become like the splits in religion, you know they all believe in the same god, all prescribe to the same myth's but give or take a few changes here and there in the verbiage and believe, and that is the story of all the abrahamic religions today, depending on there wants and needs and profits and what not.

But yes! Globalism is not going to happen, it has happened and is happening, and everybody and every group today is using it in one way or another to achieve there ends, when you buy nails from the store made in china so you can nail that dog house, even the bank bailouts were possible because of the infrastructure brought by globalism. That is globalism, the example are quite literally everywhere as many things in our lifes are there because of it.

And well you know everybody has there version of it, everybody is riding it to there goals and ends, the global profit machine and its many workers are not the only ones and neither are the rich and the well to do, they are and we are all riding the machine which we all created, and we all have different opinions on just how it should be. For instance the rich say it should be like they want and envision, and the poor think it should be like the rich want and envision, and then they will wonder why things are the way they are when they prescribed to it all along. So it is with every other group out there.

See were I am going with this. Globalism is by far not new, the day the first traders crossed with there donkey carts to the next town was the onset of globalism, today it has expanded to a much larger and total scope, and in todays more digital age that has just become more obvious.

But in all groups no matter there differences and ways of getting things done from the rich well to do to every day people, there is one constant. That constant is they are riding it to achieve there goals in whats better for there ends. The cooperation and corporation is merely a side effect of the necessity of that.

As you can see once again the more things change, the more they stay the same. I expect that even if this whole planet went full global or globalist that it will not change things at there core, but once again merely the drapes on the window will change. Every time anything was based on an ideal by anyone or any group it has failed, and there are countless reasons for that, but ideals are ideals for a reason.

This one world order, or new world order and the groups and people who came up with it were merely riding the coattails of this long ride, and yes both of those the whole NWO thing are ideals as well. If even that.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: gosseyn

What kind of globalism do you want ?

While I agree that there is a constant creep towards Globalism,.

I rarely post a disagreement with anyone,but " constant creep toward Globalism" doesn't begin to touch the leaps and bounds we have made in the last couple of years. There was a constant creep prior, but Imo that is long gone. It is so in you face it can't be ignored for someone who is even moderately informed.

If it's done in a Star Trek type way where everyone is under a constitution like the Federation's...

While this isn't "official" (they've never produced a canonized version for the shows/movies) -- this isn't a half bad start for all people of the planet Earth:

The Federation Council – Council Library tfc.orbitalsunrise.net... The Federation Council The Constitution of the Unit ed Federation of Planets

The representatives of the people of the United Federation of Planets, organized as the Supreme Assembly and the Federation Council, believing that the ignorance, neglect, or contempt of the rights of Sentients are the sole cause of public calamities and of the corruption of governments, have determined to set forth in a solemn declaration the natural, unalienable, and sacred rights of Sentients and all citizens:

In order that this declaration, being constantly before all the members of the United Federation of Planets, shall remind them continually of their rights and duties;

In order that the acts of the legislative power, as well as those of the executive power, may be compared at any moment with the objects and purposes of all political institutions and may thus be more respected;

In order that the grievances of the Sentients based hereafter up on simple and incontestable principles, shall tend to the maintenance of the Articles of Federation and redound to the happiness of all.

Therefore the Supreme Assembly and the Federation Council recognizes and proclaims, in the presence and under the auspices of t he Supreme Being, the following rights of the citizenry:

1. Sentients are born and remain free and equal in rights. The law must in all cases respect this principle.

2. The aim of all government is the preservation of the natural and irreversible rights of Sentients. These rights are liberty, property, security, conscience, expression, intimate association and resistance to oppression.

3. The principle of all sovereignty resides essentially in the nation. No individual may exercise any authority that does not p roceed directly from the nation.

4. Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything that injure s no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each Sentient has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights.

5. Law can only prohibit such actions as are demonstrably and objectively hurtful to society. Nothing may be prevented which is not forbidden by law, and no one may be forced to do anything not provided for by law.

6. Law is the expression of the general will. Every citizen has a right to participate personally, or through his representative, in its foundation. It must be the same for all, whether it protects or punishes. All citizens, being equal in the eyes of the law, are equally eligible to all dignities and to all public positions and occupations, according to their abilities, and without distinction except that of their virtues and talents. The law may not designate any group of citizens and deny them equal benefits, standing, privileges or protections based solely upon their membership in said designated group.

7. No person shall be accused, arrested, or imprisoned except in the cases and according to the forms prescribed by law. Any on e soliciting, transmitting, executing, or causing to be executed, any arbitrary order shall be punished. But any citizen summoned or arrested in virtue of the law shall submit without delay, as resistance constitutes an offense. Under no circumstances may any person be compelled to provide evidence or testimony against themselves.

8. The law shall provide for such punishments only as are strictly and obviously necessary, and no one shall suffer punishment except it be legally inflicted in virtue of a law passed and promulgated before the commission of the offense.

9. As all persons are held innocent until they shall have been proven guilty, if arrest shall be deemed indispensable, all harshness not essential to the securing of the prisoner's person sh all be severely repressed by law.

10. No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not infringe upon the rights of others.

11. The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of Sentients. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law.

12. The security of the rights of Sentients and of the citizen re quires public military forces. These forces are, therefore, established for the good of all and not for the personal advantage of those to whom they shall be entrusted.

13. All the citizens have a right to decide, either personally or by their representatives, as to the necessity of the public contribution: to grant this freely, to know to what uses it is put, and to fix the proportion, the mode of assessment and of collection and the duration of the tax es.

14. Society has the right to require of every public agent an account of his or her administration.

15. Since property is an inviolable and sacred right, no one shall be deprived thereof except where public necessity, legally determined, shall clearly demand it, and then only on condition that the owner shall have been previously and equitably indemnified.

Approved by the Federation Council on December 8, 2169
Approved by the Supreme Assembly and Ratified on January 1, 2170
Signed by the Federation President on January 9, 2170

The Federation Council – Council Library tfc.orbitalsunrise.net...

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a reply to: gosseyn

Interesting.

Gbobalism is the only logical, natural progression.

I really don't understand the opposition.

I would like to see humankind streaming into the heavens without any central control. I am not for globalism under a central authority. I want to see all humanity evolve beyond any form of control to populate the universe at will. We decide our place in the cosmos not some elite few.

Storm the heavens and make the whole universe our home. We should make our homes among the stars without restrictions.

Even if it's going to happen or it has happened I don't think globalism will stay around for long, imo. Things are breaking apart already.
Maybe I cannot fight it, but I can always slip between the cracks

Globalism is the only logical, natural progression.

Progression towards what? What model in nature express globalism?

a reply to: WhiteHat

Ant hills, hive minds...you know, the usual,only with hacked computer bio circuits.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: WhiteHat

Ant hills, hive minds...you know, the usual,only with hacked computer bio circuits.

Yeah, but many ant hills, many hives, (many bird flocks who can even meet but don't mix) each with their own queen and rules, not a global one, me thinks. Like many countries, not a global society...

originally posted by: WhiteHat
What model in nature express globalism?

Nature isn't opposed to something new.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: WhiteHat
What model in nature express globalism?

Nature isn't opposed to something new.

Maybe. But it means it isn't natural...yet.

a reply to: WhiteHat

Pobably why they called it a progression.

lol this is fun.
I think it was tried before in human history, all the empires and such, but never lasted for long.
Then we broke apart back to the basic small groups-flocks.
We are too different and the earth is too big for all to wear the same hat.

We all hate globalism as we sit here on ATS talking to people across the globe on our phones... Ha.

originally posted by: WhiteHat
I think it was tried before in human history, all the empires and such, but never lasted for long.
Then we broke apart back to the basic small groups-flocks.
We are too different and the earth is too big for all to wear the same hat.

Maybe that way was the wrong approach. We don't all have to be the same to have common goals.