It's Time to fight Back- How To Identify A Troll

originally posted by: superman2012

I just watched this, My apologies for not watching it before. But your post deserves far more stars than my OP. That video expressed a much better point of view than I originally did.

Thank you for this, it has actually become a personal favorite. Everyone should watch that.

I wish I could give you more than one star. That video even made me think. Sorry I did not watch it before.

That video was well done. I missed it earlier as well.
So, Trolls are basically pathetic, passionless, miserable parasites, who sustain themselves by making others miserable while feeding off the genuine passions and emotions of others; schadenfreude sociopaths.

They're pitiful...and I feel sorry for them.

OP...The fact that you were able to climb out from under your dark bridge and come back back into the light, is no small achievement. Using that new light to turn darkness into illumination for others, is one of the most difficult endeavors any soul can undertake.

Good luck to you, Soul Surfer. Stay the course...and congrats on a fine start.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

I'm not sure we are on the same page bro.

We're not Bros (your passive aggressive holier than thou attitude is not my bag baby), and no it's clear we're not. This entire thread has been all about your ego and your attempts to label anyone that disagrees with you as a troll.

But stop attempting on discrediting me by turning the thread against me. Which IS a troll tactic. I agreed, to disagree. Nothing more, and nothing less.

I'm discrediting your claims, so you can stop playing the victim and throwing out that word.

originally posted by: JackReyes

Even I could see you were trolling him this whole OP. lol.

Your avatar makes it pretty clear what upset you...

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

No, I said that I don't THINK that religions do it, and my reasoning is because they recruit members and believers in other ways. Government is a different type of entity than religion is--it's structured differently and has different goals, for the most part. So, comparing the two and then implying that only believing one employs or encourages trolling and the other does not is an irrelevant and illogical comparison, especially as far as this thread is concerned.

The point was that the idea of either group doing such a thing is equally ridiculous.

Right, laying down a foundation as to why I feel like I have a bit of knowledge about a subject demonstrates how weak my argument is. Again, you're not using logic, as it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, but it does matter that I have some experience that bolsters my claim. The burden of your inability to believe me or understand how that aids in my credibility is not on me, it is on you.

No you making such claims is merely you attempting to give your other claims more credibility, anyone can make such claims online making them utterly impotent.

It is exactly people like you that cause people like me to feel like we have to lay down a bit of information about our background in order for you to not just immediately oppose what we say. Still doesn't work with some people.

....you were hoping that i'd accept your claims without question based on that?.....has that ever worked before in an online forum? or anywhere else?

That's the thing about opinions...they're just that. It doesn't mean that you're right.

It doesn't mean that I am, either.

Exactly! just because I do not agree or accept your claims does not mean i'm trolling, that kind of thinking is gonna bring us all down to the uber PC level.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
The point was that the idea of either group doing such a thing is equally ridiculous.

Well, the idea that the government would seize emails, texts, and phone conversations without a search warrant when the 4th Amendment exists is ridiculous, but it happens.


Just because you consider an idea to be ridiculous does not mean that it isn't happening. Honestly, I find our back-and-forth to be ridiculous, but I'm still engaging in it...but not for much longer.

No you making such claims is merely you attempting to give your other claims more credibility, anyone can make such claims online making them utterly impotent.

Again, the onus of accepting my background is on you, not me. If you choose to disregard, then do so, but asserting my background to help support my comments and add some sort of validity to them is only pointless if the reader chooses to ignore them. I can't predict the future or your reactions, so just let this one go, because making claims without asserting my background can be just as easily considered to be "utterly impotent."

Defaulting to mindset that someone's claims are a veiled attempt to add credibility to their claims instead of being factual reasoning to maybe consider what they're saying with a little more weight is your problem, not mine. Being skeptical is healthy--being skeptical about everything and belittling someone for giving information to help back up their claims or opinions is basically what the heart of this thread is about.

....you were hoping that i'd accept your claims without question based on that?.....has that ever worked before in an online forum? or anywhere else?

I could care less what you accept as being true, but that doesn't mean I'm going to alter my approach to discussion just because you feel you need to disregard everything someone says about themselves.

Exactly! just because I do not agree or accept your claims does not mean i'm trolling, that kind of thinking is gonna bring us all down to the uber PC level.

Agreed...it's all the other facets of your behavior that lead me to see you as trolling this thread, as pointed out above. It's the sum of all of the parts of your responses, not just that you don't believe me.

But again, that's my opinion of you--I could care less if you accept it or agree with it.

Best regards. I'm done wasting my time.

I am preeeetty sure there is a few on ats that view me as a troll but they couldn't be more wrong, more of an asshole than a troll. You might wonder what the difference is, a troll is someone intentionally setting out to cause problems or hurt someone, an asshole just is who he is. More of my upbringing and childhood years that made me who I am, didn't grow up in the most loving or supportive environment or in the most loving or supportive area, using the techniques that were used by my family and peers and thinking it was normal. It gets to a point when you are too old to change your actual personality. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

I'm not sure we are on the same page bro.

We're not Bros (your passive aggressive holier than thou attitude is not my bag baby), and no it's clear we're not. This entire thread has been all about your ego and your attempts to label anyone that disagrees with you as a troll.

But stop attempting on discrediting me by turning the thread against me. Which IS a troll tactic. I agreed, to disagree. Nothing more, and nothing less.

I'm discrediting your claims, so you can stop playing the victim and throwing out that word.

Fair enough, as I discredit yours, as a troll attempt.

Have a good day, and I ask kindly to not address words towards me anymore and to go about your own path away from mine. Because, I will give you no more than the middle ground of peace. We are in conflict and to avoid any further escalations, it is best for you to go your way, and me go my way.

Your discredit is based on your own bias views without constructive criticism. But, I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. So kindly leave my thread. I don't follow you so don't follow me.


I say this, again, to avoid escalation to which I am pretty close on telling you off. I give you a warning instead.

Peace.

a reply to: Freeborn

For the record, I hate bullies and take great delight in torturing them - does that make me a bully?

We all have a justice side, but I also strongly believe in the moral high ground and to let them hang themselves. My hands need not be stained nor dirtied. It depends on what you hold of value. Personally, I would not resort to that because it makes me feel like I am just simply acting like them. I guess people will see it a bit differently, least for me, if I hate something, the last thing I would do is do what they do. (Though sometimes you have no choice but to utilize their own techniques against them. Especially when you get cornered against the wall.)


That's one thing with bullies, they don't quit until they win. Even when offered a middle ground. They want it all, because in the end it is all about winning. You ever seen these people who argue, and get close to your face, you back away, and they keep on coming, shoving you over and over, until you have no choice but to sting and sting hard.

Some people asks for it. And I think it is within a persons right to sting when cornered, because after all they are trespassing unto your will. Your personal space. This is another way to tell whether someone is a troll or not. They don't quit, until they win.

And right now, you are witnessing an example of just that. (If you read between the lines)

I know your plate has been full recently, but now that you've successfully dispatched the Troll attack, while making a good example of him for us all...would you consider addressing my earlier questions?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I know your plate has been full recently, but now that you've successfully dispatched the Troll attack, while making a good example of him for us all...would you consider addressing my earlier questions?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
What can you tell us about Media Matters' troll brigade?

I think Alex Jones breaks it down better than I can.



7 mins onward he gets to the juicy parts.


I know not many are fond of Alex, he may not be 100% accurate . Maybe 70-80% accurate out of all the things he says, (which is a better number than mainstream media at the moment, so regardless on how many views Alex Jones, Im choosing the lesser of the evils in this case. Least he is more consistent with many truths. But he has not reported (much) on other things I researched in, especially cern.

But, one thing i observed was that Alex is being targeted from both angles by trolls. On one side, you have the new agers anti NWO telling him to stop spreading fear, calling him an NWO shill for not exposing "zionism"... when he has exposed the rocthchilds.

Why I concluded they were trolls was because you tell them that he did expose them, but they ignore what you say and continue to call him a shill. This tells me, that trolls have guised themselves through the opposition trying to get people to stop listening to alex, by calling him an NWO shill and causing distrust. The other side is basically the elites and their mainstream.

But then again, im not entirely convinced, what side he is on. For now I withhold my judgement.

I will say one thing, I would be careful with Donald trump. I am not sure if you know about predictive programmings, but in one of the latest south park episodes, A Donald trump character was shown to have caused chaos as president, causing migration problems.

However, it also showed Donald trump raped and murdered. Which raises even more eyebrows, because they did something similar with robin Williams, shortly before he "committed suicide"



A little bit on what predictive programming is.



Honestly I don't trust mainstream/media matters. (They are the same.) Even RT, may as well be another lie factory. You'd never know. But Mainstream, has been caught lying time and time again, and i know crisis actors do exist.

You may find this documentary on the Boston Marathon Bombing Hero,(Carlos Arredondo) enlightening. This alone may answer your question and render everything else I said meaningless. But what you will see here, will leave you speechless. I know I was speechless, I still am speechless, even months after I initially caught wind of it.

Don't get me started on the live shooting of that reporter. Because one thing that I noticed, was that there was no sound of shells, being dropped on the floor. And that is only one thing I noticed. But this is a topic for another day.



For now it is wise to be an observer and share your findings and simply stick with your morals and ethics (along with common sense) and not necessarily choose sides just yet. I have a bad feeling, a feeling I can't shake over the months. Why I have this bad feeling, I do not know for sure, but it is getting stronger as time passes.

If you read my other threads, you may have an idea as to why.

a reply to: mikegrouchy

That video gives a really big insight on how it works. Though he is wrong on some areas especially when speaking about the moral high-ground. But then he said, that " if you are moral, you cannot be a troll," and gave a mention of Christians as an example.

But what he said on 9-11, raises eyebrows . An earlier poster mentioned the 9-11 forums. I know some truthers do lie about 9-11, but so does the official story. I believe more the professional fire fighters, when questioning the narrative, because they are professionals within their field, otherwise they would not be working in that area of expertise for a living.

I take the word of these professionals, over the Alex Jones any day, because Alex is not a professional within their fields. Alex may have pointed some things out, but all he really did was spark my interest on the topic, which allowed me to do my own research and see hundreds of points of views instead of one, two or three. Over the years, ive researched over a thousand sources other than Jones and the ickes. However, none of them convinced me, for the soul reason that I know better than to resort to blind belief. (My ex taught me this lesson, and it was very harsh.)

However, what did convince me to remain open minded on the 9-11 was an inside job topic, was the professional firefighters, architects, and control demolition experts.



They gave constructive detail explanation as to why they think the official story is a hoax. But even with this testimony, I remain open minded because there is always a chance for other explanations. That is why, i chose not to choose sides, neither left nor right.

I view all the subjects through a moral stand point, while applying the christian philosophy.

However, Everyday, I am beginning to believe what Bryan Kemila, and a few others say.

"That everyone is deliberately trying to lie to you."

Which makes me want to turn my back on the whole thing and just focus on doing what I wish to do, and ignore people entirely and just live out my days in nature and complete solitude. I think.. that sounds like a better life for me, because the way I see it, the human world is in chaos right now, and I don't wish to be a part of it due to the unwanted stress that comes with it. All I can do, is remind people about morals, ethics and common sense.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Well, the idea that the government would seize emails, texts, and phone conversations without a search warrant when the 4th Amendment exists is ridiculous, but it happens.

The idea that they would do it on ATS is beyond preposterous...

Just because you consider an idea to be ridiculous does not mean that it isn't happening. Honestly, I find our back-and-forth to be ridiculous, but I'm still engaging in it...but not for much longer.

And the fact that you claim to have insider knowledge/experience doesn't make it true either does it?

Again, the onus of accepting my background is on you, not me. If you choose to disregard, then do so, but asserting my background to help support my comments and add some sort of validity to them is only pointless if the reader chooses to ignore them. I can't predict the future or your reactions, so just let this one go, because making claims without asserting my background can be just as easily considered to be "utterly impotent."

It's not my responsibility to accept your claims, I've not ignored them I just reject them. And FYI, the best way to assert a claim online is to back it up with sources. It's about as good as it can get.

Defaulting to mindset that someone's claims are a veiled attempt to add credibility to their claims instead of being factual reasoning to maybe consider what they're saying with a little more weight is your problem, not mine. Being skeptical is healthy--being skeptical about everything and belittling someone for giving information to help back up their claims or opinions is basically what the heart of this thread is about.

You've not given any information, you've made a claim, and I've not belittled you by rejecting that claim. There's no need to play the victim...

I could care less what you accept as being true, but that doesn't mean I'm going to alter my approach to discussion just because you feel you need to disregard everything someone says about themselves.

So you do care somewhat?

I rejected a singular claim, not everything you said about yourself...

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Alex Jones?....

This explains everything, he doesn't like it when people disagree with him either, he calls them trolls too....

But I don't think even he has the ego and audacity to think he could 'tell me off' or give a 'warning' for merely disagreeing with someone on an online forum.....and that's saying something.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Alex Jones?....

This explains everything, he doesn't like it when people disagree with him either, he calls them trolls too....

But I don't think even he has the ego and audacity to think he could 'tell me off' or give a 'warning' for merely disagreeing with someone on an online forum.....and that's saying something.

I warned you and asked you kindly to back-off. I gave you 3 fair warnings before I blew off on you. Now that you unleashed the Casey in me, you will serve as an example to all. These are my last words directed towards you specifically, the rest is simply to break you apart. Are you ready? Because I am ALL fired up

To everyone else reading:

The troll will not quit, until he wins the argument. Presbo, is an example of this. He does not want to take the middle ground of live and let live. No, he wants to be the winner. You all witnessed me attempting to back away to avoid conflict, including a peace offering. To which, he used to his advantage in erroneously seeing a weak opening. The troll sees kindness as a weakness, so they go for what seems to be the kill. If you take the example of Casey and the bully, you can clearly see the resemblance and allegory between the story of casey, and what you all witnessed between me and prezbo.

You could say, that prezbo is the bully beating up casey. He punches and punches, sees that casey does nothing, and he continues. The bully saw Casey's kindness as a weakness. Same way as prezbo saw the middle ground as my weakness. So he tried to go directly for the win right there.




The Parable:

Bully hits casey - Prezbo indirectly called me stupid.

This is a demoralizing taunt, seeking reaction of some sort. Notice, how I called prezbo out on being a troll AFTER many attempts of seeking a middle ground with him. AFTER he threw his punches in his sad attempts to discredit me without constructive criticism.

Now he is using Alex Jones, something he disagrees with as the trump card to his attack. Remember, from the rules on how to identify a troll, they will look for anything to use against you. In this case, he is using Alex Jones as a way to discredit the whole thread. He resorts to absolutes, instead of investigation, it is his way period. He, like the troll; leaves no margin nor room for other opinions other than his own. If it does not meet his ideals, then it is stupid (or some other label focused on character assassination), no matter what it is.

However, what prezbo ignored was my following quotes:

I know not many are fond of Alex, he may not be 100% accurate . Maybe 70-80% accurate out of all the things he says, (which is a better number than mainstream media at the moment, so regardless on how many views Alex Jones, Im choosing the lesser of the evils in this case. Least he is more consistent with many truths. But he has not reported (much) on other things I researched in, especially cern.

But then again, im not entirely convinced, what side he is on. For now I withhold my judgement.

Notice: How I did not side with Alex, nor did I go against him. I withheld my judgement.

Yet, Prezbo is using Alex as if Alex was my motivator, but he ignored this Quote as well:

I believe more the professional fire fighters, when questioning the narrative, because they are professionals within their field, otherwise they would not be working in that area of expertise for a living.

I take the word of these professionals, over the Alex Jones any day, because Alex is not a professional within their fields. Alex may have pointed some things out, but all he really did was spark my interest on the topic.

Why did he ignore this? Because he is not focused on the truth, he is focused on "Search and Destroy"


I am sorry, but you came into MY thread, insulted me, berated me, attempted assasination on my character, and expected me not to retaliate? You are a naive fool if you think I will not defend myself when push comes to shove.

You shot yourself in the foot when you attempted character assassination. Especially in a thread that exposes those behaviors. That was not a smart move.

Take what is left of your dignity and backaway from me. The next time, I will be reporting you to the mods, because after a few warnings, this has escalated into harassment from your part.

When a woman says no, she means no. When someone asks you to back away, it means he or she does not want to fight. If you continue to try and goat someone into a fight, it then turns into harassment from your part, and that is actually re portable to the authorities. Online bullying and harassment is actually against the law.

Just letting you know, where you are at right now, and my neighbor who is a police officer (Who is reading this thread with me right now) agrees with me, it is harassment, because i gave you fair warnings to back away.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
If you continue to try and goat someone into a fight, it then turns into harrasment from your part, and that is actually re portable to the authorities. Online bullying and harassment is actually against the law.

What are you going to report to the authorities? That someone thinks Alex Jones is a crap source?

Might as well report most of the people on this site.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
If you continue to try and goat someone into a fight, it then turns into harrasment from your part, and that is actually re portable to the authorities. Online bullying and harassment is actually against the law.

What are you going to report to the authorities? That someone thinks Alex Jones is a crap source?

Might as well report most of the people on this site.

That is not what I said. Read again.
2nd line

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
That is not what I said. Read again.
2nd line

Considering your overly verbose reply was to a post by Prezbo basically saying Alex Jones is a bad source and that he would not even be able to claim what you are claiming, yeah, that is the what you said.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
That is not what I said. Read again.
2nd line

Considering your overly verbose reply was to a post by Prezbo basically saying Alex Jones is a bad source and that he would not even be able to claim what you are claiming, yeah, that is the what you said.

No, I was referring to harassment in general and breaking it down in an intellectual manner, when someone says stop,but the person does not stop and keeps coming, it is called harassment. I used allegories and metaphors to explain this.

So no, It is NOT what I said, there for it is a lie.