Men screaming 'Allah' attack soldiers at Rome Cathedral

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: Kapusta

I don't know why you bother dude. It's not on you to educate anyone or justify yourself, you've done nothing wrong. It just seems like you're going to be a constant target of suspicion and paranoia to vent at for people who already made up their minds a long time ago and have no intention of listening.

I'm sorry you even feel like you need to do it at all.

Your right...

I dono bud. I just don't know

If there are only 30,000 extremists how have our 9000 bombs not wiped them out completely??

a reply to: Kapusta

We don't understand the Koran?...

But the Quran states that the writings of Moses and the sayings of Jesus shall be revered and not superseded.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: anxiouswens

Having read the story on ANSA the thing that struck me was when they "asked bystanders for help". This along with the homeless description makes me think that this was just two mentally ill muslims who suddenly found a cause. Not to take away from the very real threat of Islamic radicalism of course, but these guys just sounded kind of sad...

Possibly, there is more factor's involved to radicalization that just being muslim. It's the same with the Paris attacks, it wasn't surprising the leader was of Moroccan descent. Assimilation of Moroccan minorities into French culture has been a major issue for years for France and the reasons for this is much more complex than the immigrants being muslim. Many European countries have similar issues.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: rexsblues
a reply to: Kapusta

It's not really Islamophobia as much as it is Islamoreaction. There's nothing irrational about being cautious or fearful of Islam anymore.

People fear it because they don't understand it.

They don't understand it because they choose to not learn about it

But are fully willing to take in what the MSM and websites tell them ,
fear is the name of the game it seems
And people are feeding into it.

Statistically white male Christians are the ones murdering children in the classrooms and people in the churches as the world plainly sees in the western news media.

Bashing other groups is their way of avoiding the social issues that really threaten their way of life. Intellectual indolence is the thought cancer that will be the demise of the western civilization. It happened this way in Greece, Rome, Persia and so on.

Soldiers should have been wearing cameras, then shot the 2 Muzzies dead..End of Story

originally posted by: SPECULUM
Soldiers should have been wearing cameras, then shot the 2 Muzzies dead..End of Story

Kill kill right ? How does that make you better than them?

Did anyone get hurt , Yet you want to play judge , jury, executioner?

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: SPECULUM
Soldiers should have been wearing cameras, then shot the 2 Muzzies dead..End of Story

Kill kill right ? How does that make you better than them?

Did anyone get hurt , Yet you want to play judge , jury, executioner?

When being attacked, the defensive position must assert as much effort to contain as necessary and the verdict plays out in real time, and judgement comes later. If that escalates to someones head being blown off, is pretty common considering people do carry firearms.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: SPECULUM
Soldiers should have been wearing cameras, then shot the 2 Muzzies dead..End of Story

Kill kill right ? How does that make you better than them?

Did anyone get hurt , Yet you want to play judge , jury, executioner?

Enemies must be removed indefinitely to ensure the safety of innocent others. Islam is a Global Enemy of the Innocent and the "Peaceful" Future of the World

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: anxiouswens

It is extremely concerning that this man screams islamiphobia and does not mention or seem to care about the victims.

It is too normal, it does not faze them.

It is taught that these things are normal and happen, and they actually have to warn against extremism.

Certain breed of dogs must be very carefully trained not to be bad and do damaging things....while others do not.

This is indeed also the case with Islam, it is way WAY too easy to set people off in any religion to a goal of foolishness, it is just that with this one, it is everyday normalcy.

The only chance this planet will ever have, to get a better way of life, is to remove the religions once and for all, and those who invented them, must be destroyed as if never existed.

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: Specimen

It isn't.

Is it Alalalah, or LalalalaHa when they charge into battle? I'm sorry my Arabic terrible.

a reply to: Specimen

Ahallu Akbar translates to God is greatest, much like I would shout 'oh #'. It is proclaimed at births, funerals, in battle as you have stated, in miracles perceived, in any moment. Not just as a war chant.

Choose not to learn?

How ridiculous. We can't escape learning about it.

We have been educated in it, we have welcomed Islam, its followers and infrastructure.

Now we can't escape having to assimilate our views to it.

Why should we have to accommodate and pander to this?

For me, clean it all up. Ban all religion. There's more negative than positive influence by religion.

Is Allah more important than a secular society?

Is Allah more important than loving your fellow man?

Up for a society unencumbered by religion, or is Allah more important than true peace?

All religion is a cancer.

Until it dies out, there's no hope for progress.

a reply to: Kapusta

originally posted by: selfharmonise
Choose not to learn?

How ridiculous. We can't escape learning about it.

We have been educated in it, we have welcomed Islam, its followers and infrastructure.

Now we can't escape having to assimilate our views to it.

Why should we have to accommodate and pander to this?

For me, clean it all up. Ban all religion. There's more negative than positive influence by religion.

Is Allah more important than a secular society?

Is Allah more important than loving your fellow man?

Up for a society unencumbered by religion, or is Allah more important than true peace?

All religion is a cancer.

Until it dies out, there's no hope for progress.

a reply to: Kapusta

Who's we ? Who do you speak for?

Since you have "learned " please share with us.

a reply to: Kapusta

The true foundation of both of our religion's does not teach extremism.

foundations? Oh you mean Jehovah committing genocide, or sacrifices, stoning,

a reply to: Kapusta

The true foundation of Islam doesn't need reform because the true foundation was set forth by god

One cannot argue with such "great logic" - god willed it therefore there is no argument;
Sounds like a petty vengeful god; much like the christian-hebrew god jehovah,

All swords fire blood and hell - a religion of peace
lets see right at the foundation of yours

the koran
verse 8.13 -

When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. Verse 8.13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. Verse 8.14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. Verse 8.15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Kapusta

When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. Verse 8.13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. Verse 8.14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. Verse 8.15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

One cannot argue with such "great logic" - god willed it therefore there is no argument;
Sounds like a petty vengeful god; much like the christian-hebrew god jehovah,

All swords fire blood and hell - a religion of peace
lets see right at the foundation of yours

the koran
verse 8.13 -

When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. Verse 8.13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. Verse 8.14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. Verse 8.15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

The meaning of the Quranic verse you quoted (above) has to do with standing firm against those who attack Muslims (because of their religion) within the context of battle. Is Islam a religion of peace when Christians or pagans amass against those who serve God? What did the Christians do after the 911 attacks on US soil when 3,000 Americans were murdered? They went to the Middle East and used their own bombs to murder more than 2,000,000 Muslims. They eviscerated a century of infrastructure and social connections. They committed state sponsored terrorism. Are you utterly surprised that they are sending agents into the western nations to perpetrate exactly what was done to them and their loved ones?

I can always tell when a non-Muslim, Christian or politically motivated westerner is attempting to vitiate the Islamic claim of peace in verses dealing with the conduct of war and self preservation. Its proper for Christians to defend themselves but not for Muslims.

I should politely remind everyone reading this post that the western super power conglomerate just completed a decade of killing Muslims in their own lands and homes with cruel indignity. This is what Christan soldiers do, they spend ten years of their nation's precious resources in the Middle East, using thousand pound uranium laced bombs to force whole populations to their knees.

Is that your love of Jesus? Actions speak louder than words. Westerners shouldn't allow the civilized world witness their blatant ignorance and arrogant religious hypocrisy through the global media. Ignorance and arrogance, the two of humanity's least favorable qualities.

You're assuming the US government retaliated based soley on Christian reprisal.

Dont be ignorant.

The US leaders are godless, but simply fly a Christian banner over all they do for 2 things only.

Money and votes

They didnt take a poll on what to do or where to go, they filled the news with their ideas on who was responsible, and what/where/when to attack in the name of "patriotism"

Post 911 attacks up to today have noting to do with Christianity, or the majority of professing Christians.

Probably the same with ISIS.

originally posted by: Butterfinger
You're assuming the US government retaliated based soley on Christian reprisal.

Dont be ignorant.

The US leaders are godless, but simply fly a Christian banner over all they do for 2 things only.

Money and votes

They didnt take a poll on what to do or where to go, they filled the news with their ideas on who was responsible, and what/where/when to attack in the name of "patriotism"

Post 911 attacks up to today have noting to do with Christianity, or the majority of professing Christians.

Probably the same with ISIS.

Well said for the most part. I concur with the general vector of your view in terms of the underlying politics. Nevertheless, we share this space with people who see this matter through their own values (or lack thereof) and world views from different references. I do reserve the right to respond to them in contexts other than my one dimensional conception.

There are different ways of seeing things and from the perspectives of others, without overreach in the analysis. From the eastern perspective, the west is engaged in its own Jihad (Christian Crusade). And certainly this deserves merit from Middle Eastern religious and historical references, upon which the public psyche is based in large part. The Christians waged holy war in the Middle East for 196 years, capturing and loosing Jerusalem several times. It was the Arab Muslims who occupied that area, who were often under siege by the foreign invaders.

When the Christians were surrounded by Arabs and starving within the walls of Jerusalem, the surrender was met with the good will to escort unarmed crusaders and women to the ships that would carry them to Europe. Whereas, the former conquering Christian soldiers profited, pillaged and raped their way to the holy place.

Unlike westerners, the Arabs live by their historical contexts, thus the blundering of the Crusades (be they religious, political or greed based in nature) created a cultural intolerance for non-Islamic ideologies, counter balancing the word of Muhammad, when he said that religion was not compulsive and that Muslims should greet non-Muslims with cheer.

a reply to: Gianfar

Nice post

Ive often heard about how "arab" children are taught the boogey man is a christian in white wearing a red cross.

Likely true... based on history, very understandable.


As a Christian and an American, I have not been in favor of the 9/11 ME incursions. I didnt like Saddam, but was it our place? No, they used the attacks in NY to justify it.

The Love Jesus taught has no room for any weapons. Crusades included.