Man utd, End of an era?

a reply to: Debunkology
Now now....tou were comparing football 30 years ago. I was going with your train of thought. Back then they did lack many thing, athleticism is something you suggested not me. They had it as humans haven't evolved that much in 30 years, but they lacked the training, coaching and standards to fulfil the potential that you see in today's game.

Back then it was standard to get drunk after a game. Arsenal were famous for it. But with that mentality you can't achieve today's standards....that's my point.

a reply to: alldaylong

Bear in mind I'm an Aberdonian and I remember the bus coming through Aberdeen in 1983.
I've got a soft spot for Alex Ferguson, but I know next to nothing about English football. I do remember Brian Clough though, and he always seemed like an honest, decent soul.
Why was he never the England manager? (Or was he and I'm misremembering?)

a reply to: Debunkology

To be fair to Fergie, he won it with "kids"

If Manure came knocking, any kid with great potential would have come running in those days.

Giggs and Beckham didn't start their careers at Manure.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: Debunkology
Now now....tou were comparing football 30 years ago. I was going with your train of thought. Back then they did lack many thing, athleticism is something you suggested not me. They had it as humans haven't evolved that much in 30 years, but they lacked the training, coaching and standards to fulfil the potential that you see in today's game.

Back then it was standard to get drunk after a game. Arsenal were famous for it. But with that mentality you can't achieve today's standards....that's my point.

Again, you have made no point. You said British players are not good enough and are just there to fill quotas. which is nonsense.

And afterall, we are talking about the demise of Manchester United, the club that domianted English football with a very strong British base throughout that period.

Giggs, Brown, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Scholes, Carrick and Rooney played in the final which they last won the Champions League. The team they beat was Chelsea, featuring Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole, and John Terry. Half of the players in the worlds most pretigious club final were British players.

originally posted by: beansidhe

Why was he never the England manager? (Or was he and I'm misremembering?)

Snobbery, simple as that.

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: beansidhe

Why was he never the England manager? (Or was he and I'm misremembering?)

Snobbery, simple as that.

No it wasn't snobbery.

Clough was never a " yes " man. He always spoke his mind and told it the way it was,

The F.A. wanted a " yes " man.

"Did you hear about Man Utd when they went to see the pope...."
"If you hate Man Utd clap yer hands".
City till I die
Swings and roundabouts I know loads of Man Ure fans and find it great they are playing #e footie, still getting results but it will not be in the Champions league will it lol.


Thing is this is going to take some beating this for pure footie emotion isn't it? I can't see us topping this feeling in my lifetime.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: beansidhe
Fergie was so good he helped inspire the euro Ryde cup team to success. He used his famous "Canadian geese" analogy and when they won the cup...long and behold... the geese flew over in a V formation. That and the children working kn the rockafellar construction sight. C ronaldo still remembers that picture vividly.

I'd forgotten about his geese analogy.
I still love him though, for this moment:



I've just listened to 20 minutes on the virtues of Brian Clough, from my husband who just came in. A travesty, apparently, and all due to a weak English F.A. (scared they couldn't keep him in line). I shall leave your glorious thread, but thanks for letting me relive the glory of the Cup Winner's Cup, if only or a moment.

a reply to: rossacus

As you can see by my avatar im a United fan and hail from Manchester.
I dont think its the end of an era though.
If we dont win the league this season Van Gaal will be gone and another big gun will come in i dont think we will turn into the laughing stock that is Liverpool and come on you could state Arsenal has not been a force since the invincibles but at least they look half decent nowadays.

I have been to a few games this year and the level of frustration from the fans was pretty high,they just get the feeling he does not have a clue what he is doing and the football is dull and boring which it is,its awful to watch.
I think Van Gaal is living in the past but i hope he proves me wrong.
The rot started under Ferguson though and i wonder what would have happened if he had been given the amounts to spend Van Gaal has in such a short period.

a reply to: Debunkology
Fair point. I would point out though alot of this eplayers are defensive minded, something the English are incredibly good at.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Greatest football moment in the history of the sport...apart from man utd CL final and mainly liverpool CL final. But when the kun scored that goal it was amazing as my mate had £50 on man utd 3 months earlier. He was 1 min away from winning good money.

a reply to: southbeach

I never understood the rot under fergie claim. He won the league easily in his last year. 3 months later the players are all of a sudden too old. I never understood that. If fergie stayed on he would have competed with that same squad till the end. Plus alienating your older more experienced players never helps. Vidic era and rio deserved better.