Planned UN climate deal blow to fossil fuels: green groups

So what are the details on this? The yahoo! news article only quoted people slapping themselves on the back. I'd like to know what this is actually going to DO before I run around with my hair on fire.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I read that as well one of the things I picked up on is the time frame which seems o be for the later half of the century.

So at least 35 years till fossil fuels are phased out.

a reply to: yuppa

You think a bottle of asprin is exspensive now. wait until the fix is priced into its cost. T

YEAH!

Since aspirin is made from OIL as thousands of other products we use.

All plastics are.

Sex lube. There goes the sex life.

To name a couple of others:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: neo96

Products derived from oil will not be limited by the agreement.


Burning fossil fuels as a source of energy will.

Aspirin is not made from oil: www.cnn.com...

However, the plastic container that they come in is, so, good... I hope plastic crap will cost more. There's quite enough of it floating around already. Maybe plastic will become as useless as gasoline to an electric car.

I don't know how we'll ever do without oil, though. Bearings are no good without it, but we can oil that from plants too.

a reply to: masqua

Aspirin is not made from oil

A component of it is.

Synthesizing Aspirin

As I said, they are trying to limit the use of oil and coal as a source of energy. In other words stop burning it.

If anything doing so will lower the price of oil for petroleum based products because there would be more available.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Oil of wintergreen is from plants, same way as aspirin comes from willow bark.

You don't get it by drilling and fracking. It's like saying a large deposit of cannabis oil has been found 5 miles under the North Sea. Yay, Scotland.I don't think so.

a reply to: masqua

My bad. Wrong link.

Most aspirin manufacturing begins with benzene, a hydrocarbon that is typically derived from petroleum.

That doesn't mean there aren't replacement derivatives, but like I said the use of oil for such things are not being limited by the agreement.

Kerry says Paris agreement crafted to avoid Congress

Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday the climate agreement reached this week in Paris did not contain any enforcement provisions because Congress would not have approved them.

Whoah there partner.

Thems fightin words.

originally posted by: neo96
Kerry says Paris agreement crafted to avoid Congress

Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday the climate agreement reached this week in Paris did not contain any enforcement provisions because Congress would not have approved them.

Whoah there partner.

Thems fightin words.

If thats true then By our laws we dont have to abide by it when Obama leaves office since it skirts the law.

one cannot expect infinite growth on a finite world

Yeah well conservatives don't exactly believe in logic.

LoL

I understand the political and environmentalist stand against using oil and thus empowering people who appear to not give a flying F' about their fellow humans, but . . . .


So many on the activist side seem to thing engineers and "scientists" are freaking magicians who can make all their dreams come true via a consensus, or throwing money at them, or simply demanding that there be a solution that makes them feel good.

People ought to be prepared for some serious lifestyle changes coming down the pipe.


IE: if America switched to all solar/wind, we would need large amounts of nuclear power for night and low wind conditions. Further that backup would have to be large enough to prevent large blackouts and the such.

Battery storage and sustainability simply is not there and is very toxic.

The countries they cite as have 90%+ for sustainable energy have tiny populations and geography allows them to utilize dams for a large portion of their power needs.

Hydroelectric is being phased out in many areas due to its incredible destruction of local ecosystems so it is a no go.


But lets all cheer that we are beating BIG OIL, because most people paying attention know that that is political priority number one for a large percentage of activists.

Just remember to shut up and stop complaining when change doesn't turn out how you wanted it to.

-FBB

originally posted by: neo96
So I wonder what the Federal Government, and States government are going to replace the GAS tax with ?

After all no more cut off the top for something that will no longer be sold.

Probably a mileage tax. The truth is, we've needed to move to a mileage tax for years now but the overwhelming unpopularity of the gas tax causes people to not even be rational when discussing it.

Miliage*weight class of vehicle*tax rate

It's not like it's an option to cease funding road maintenance, so those who use them should pay. Gas taxes somewhat did that (though those taxes are currently too low), mileage is just as good an indicator of paying proportionally to use.

originally posted by: neo96
But didn't the global warming crowd say they believed in EVOLUTION ?

Evolution as a scientific principal yes. Evolution however generally follows that 99.99% of that population die off. It's the ones that don't that get to go spread their genes. I would rather not be one of those 99.99% when we have the opportunity to do something about it.

There will be a green tax of some kind. The money the wealthier nations have pledged has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is you and me, the taxpayers. One Big Bureaucratic International Slush Fund for the "leaders" of the world to dip their hands into.

Thirty years from now they will discover that their "remedy" is actually causing global warming/climate change/environmental disasters.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I read that as well one of the things I picked up on is the time frame which seems o be for the later half of the century.

So at least 35 years till fossil fuels are phased out.

The thing is...look around you right now. How many things just within reach are made from petrochemicals? Dyes, plastics...synthetic fibers, coatings, lubricants...nearly everything you can see has some kind of oil-based product incorporate into it...

We'll be using oil for a LONG time, the question is...as a power/energy source though?

originally posted by: Enochstask
You need manufacturing to build those and that would cause pollution. We need to go back to candles and horse and buggies.

Clean energy reduces a lot of that pollution, as does recycling which again works at a much higher efficiency with clean energy.

Candles, horse, and buggies are horrible for the environment. Cars are much better, and so are my LED bulbs.

As far as electricity goes, I'm on a small netbook and this post took 1 minute to write. My netbook uses about 30 watts, so it cost me about 0.003 cents at my current electric rate. I can make 33 such posts for the price of a penny.

a reply to: FriedBabelBroccoli

Yes, you can pretty much make anything happen if you throw enough money at it. We went to the Moon in a decade. From an idea to a man landing, all because of money and resources.

We could have people living on Mars and fusion reactors in every major city if we wanted.

If I had 500 billion dollars, I'd be saying things like:

"I don't care how much it costs, money isn't an 'issue'. Steal them away, poach them. Take them from Microsoft, JPL, Apple and Boeing. Make three, 8 hour shifts. We're working on this 24 hours a day. I want to hire more engineers, chemists, scientists and specialists than anyone has ever done before. We're landing on Mars in 10 years, and I don't care how much it costs to do it. No half-measures, no stalling. Literally throw money at people if you have to. I don't care, make it happen."

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Fossil fuel being phased out as a fuel, yup.


As far as I know there hasn't been any talks about phasing out petroleum in any other way.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I read that as well one of the things I picked up on is the time frame which seems o be for the later half of the century.

So at least 35 years till fossil fuels are phased out.

The thing is...look around you right now. How many things just within reach are made from petrochemicals? Dyes, plastics...synthetic fibers, coatings, lubricants...nearly everything you can see has some kind of oil-based product incorporate into it...

We'll be using oil for a LONG time, the question is...as a power/energy source though?

And that wasn't including asphalt made from bitumen.

They really don't get the sheer magnitude of what they want to do.

It's going to cost in the 10s of trillions of not hundreds of trillions.