American Muslims raise more than $100,000 for families of San Bernardino shooting victims

a reply to: Kapusta
Obviously, I am one of the more outspoken members on ATS when it comes to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. But I think this deserves recognition. I applaud the efforts of those who took up this collection, and those who gave. It's risky going against the radicals in any religion. These Muslim's have now risked the ire and wrath of the radicals among them, to stand up in support of the victims families. Well done.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: jheated5
Probably funded by the Obama administration (our tax dollars) as damage control....

2nd..

Sorry, that's a disgusting opinion.

Really?

campaign has raised more than $100,000 from more than 1,000 donors across the country, including in Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The money will be disbursed through San Bernardino County and the United Way to assist victims’ families with funeral expenses and other needs, Qazi said.

So...Obama forced a thousand people to donate 1000$?

What possible evidence could you possibly have to support your statement? Sounds to me like just more of the same, let's hate Obama and be suspicious of everything and anything a Muslim does in America.

~Tenth

!000 people only 100$ each.. And with all the money these muslim families in the us has access too that is a pathetic amount..

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Which families do you mean exactly?

Have we stooped to the point where we believe that those who have a particular faith ALL have vast sums of money? Are we REALLY back here again? I find your lack of imagination and awareness staggering. We live in the information age, and despite that, despite all the evidence which says that poverty affects all religions and all political spectra, there are still people who have bought the modified doctrines of the Nazi party, hook line and sinker.

Truly, we have learned nothing from the errors of history, if persons so ill informed still walk the world.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Which families do you mean exactly?

Have we stooped to the point where we believe that those who have a particular faith ALL have vast sums of money? Are we REALLY back here again? I find your lack of imagination and awareness staggering. We live in the information age, and despite that, despite all the evidence which says that poverty affects all religions and all political spectra, there are still people who have bought the modified doctrines of the Nazi party, hook line and sinker.

Truly, we have learned nothing from the errors of history, if persons so ill informed still walk the world.

the ones that came here from another country almost all have access to money from their families. i am not talking about american born muslims or converts..

$100,000 WOW!!! incredible, really..

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Which families do you mean exactly?

Have we stooped to the point where we believe that those who have a particular faith ALL have vast sums of money? Are we REALLY back here again? I find your lack of imagination and awareness staggering. We live in the information age, and despite that, despite all the evidence which says that poverty affects all religions and all political spectra, there are still people who have bought the modified doctrines of the Nazi party, hook line and sinker.

Truly, we have learned nothing from the errors of history, if persons so ill informed still walk the world.

the ones that came here from another country almost all have access to money from their families. i am not talking about american born muslims or converts..

And if the "majority" of Muslims were actually appalled at the acts committed in the name of Islam they should at the very least make every one of those families millionaires..

There is a whole lot of money in the Muslim world 100,000$ is not that impressive..

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Well why would you say "All the money these Muslim families has access to", when what you mean is something entirely different?

You mean, why would'nt the top one percent of newly arrived Muslim families, give more? That is easy, and it is the same reason why a poor Christian might give the last few pence in their own pocket to a charitable work, but the richest one percent will not even donate half of their vast wealth, despite them never being able to spend it all in a lifetime!

It is a point without a point.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: jheated5
Probably funded by the Obama administration (our tax dollars) as damage control....

2nd..

Sorry, that's a disgusting opinion.

Really?

campaign has raised more than $100,000 from more than 1,000 donors across the country, including in Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The money will be disbursed through San Bernardino County and the United Way to assist victims’ families with funeral expenses and other needs, Qazi said.

So...Obama forced a thousand people to donate 1000$?

What possible evidence could you possibly have to support your statement? Sounds to me like just more of the same, let's hate Obama and be suspicious of everything and anything a Muslim does in America.

~Tenth

!000 people only 100$ each.. And with all the money these muslim families in the us has access too that is a pathetic amount..

I assume then that you have donated way more than that to the families then?

a reply to: rossacus

I'm sorry but he would of known. How could anyone believe that he did not know the killer was a Muslim. How can you raise that much money while your head is in the sand?

How would he have known? Did he know them personally? Or is it that they were middle eastern so they are automatically Muslim? There are middle easterners that are Christian you do know this right?

No one in their right mind would believe that. It's actually irresponsible him raising money for a cause he has no knowledge on.

The followers of Islam are commanded by their faith to give to charity.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: jheated5
Probably funded by the Obama administration (our tax dollars) as damage control....

2nd..

Sorry, that's a disgusting opinion.

Really?

campaign has raised more than $100,000 from more than 1,000 donors across the country, including in Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The money will be disbursed through San Bernardino County and the United Way to assist victims’ families with funeral expenses and other needs, Qazi said.

So...Obama forced a thousand people to donate 1000$?

What possible evidence could you possibly have to support your statement? Sounds to me like just more of the same, let's hate Obama and be suspicious of everything and anything a Muslim does in America.

~Tenth

!000 people only 100$ each.. And with all the money these muslim families in the us has access too that is a pathetic amount..

I assume then that you have donated way more than that to the families then?

How sure would you be?

a reply to: buster2010
So are you suggesting he raised this money for the cause without any information on the subject? He just heard about it without conducting any research on the matter? Don't play that they can be christian cards, such a limited response. Of course they can. Nothing I said suggested that. You have to behave yourself and expand your responses outside this childish mentality.

Followers of islam are commanded to give to charity. There alot of charades out there you know. Did islam pick this specific one.

Answer me this then....how could he research the facility, the cause without seeing a news article relating to the killer being Muslim. I have not seen an article that didn't. If he searched the institute where it happened you can't find an article that isn't Muslim propoganda.

Please no standardised child like statements, they don't suit anyone. Plus please don't put words in my mouth again.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

That is a rather large assumption, not all muslim families are rich, not sure what gives you that idea.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: jheated5
Probably funded by the Obama administration (our tax dollars) as damage control....

2nd..

Sorry, that's a disgusting opinion.

Really?

campaign has raised more than $100,000 from more than 1,000 donors across the country, including in Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The money will be disbursed through San Bernardino County and the United Way to assist victims’ families with funeral expenses and other needs, Qazi said.

So...Obama forced a thousand people to donate 1000$?

What possible evidence could you possibly have to support your statement? Sounds to me like just more of the same, let's hate Obama and be suspicious of everything and anything a Muslim does in America.

~Tenth

!000 people only 100$ each.. And with all the money these muslim families in the us has access too that is a pathetic amount..

I assume then that you have donated way more than that to the families then?

How sure would you be?

Well if you are criticising the size of the donation you must surely have made a larger donation yourself, otherwise it might just seem a little hypocritical.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: jheated5
a reply to: ScepticScot

This of course being the most amount of mass shootings in history since Obama has been in office, coincedence?

Mass shootings have tripled under Obama than in the previous Dubya admin. And this was even before San Bernardino. I wonder why.

"Under Obama’s Watch: Public Mass Shootings Have Tripled"
conservativeread.com...

And for those that say the source is biased because it's a conservative site, even the FBI says so.
"Mass shootings in U.S. have tripled in recent years, FBI says"
www.latimes.com...

Someone needs to relay this information to the gun advocates because according to them and this is pretty much on a daily basis..he is coming for their guns and these stats prove that he isn't and they are still readily available to anyone.

So the 2nd amendment is still intact and the above proves anyone can still get a gun.

So you need to change your tune from "damn Obama and trying to take our guns" to "damn Obama letting anyone get a gun"..

And how did this Thread change into blame Obama for mass shootings, they have an alternative reason for doing this..etc.

Why are you derailing this thread and trying to take the focus off of what good was done?

originally posted by: jheated5
Like to cherry pick and use whatever fits the narrative. Explaining myself serves no purpose because the proof is all around, also it's my opinion so I'm entitled to it just as you.

Pot meet kettle..

You changed "American Muslims raise more than $100,000 for families of San Bernardino shooting victims" into something more nefarious in order to fit your narrative of what Muslims are.

sry

So there are cries for moderate Muslims to speak out about radicals. They do or do something nice and it is still not good enough.

My question would be why the hell should moderate Muslims try to prove anything for you ignorant fools?

It is pretty clear anything that is done by them is not good enough for you because of your preconceived notions of what a Muslim is.

What they did here was great and should not let the ignorant twits get them down. I hope they understand that when the idiots come out of the woodwork asking for them to do something like condemn the radicals to prove that there are good Muslims, that they should ignore them since anything they do will not be good enough for them.

What these people(tired of calling a person by their religion) did was great and no amount of idiocy should be allowed to take that from them.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Which families do you mean exactly?

Have we stooped to the point where we believe that those who have a particular faith ALL have vast sums of money? Are we REALLY back here again? I find your lack of imagination and awareness staggering. We live in the information age, and despite that, despite all the evidence which says that poverty affects all religions and all political spectra, there are still people who have bought the modified doctrines of the Nazi party, hook line and sinker.

Truly, we have learned nothing from the errors of history, if persons so ill informed still walk the world.

the ones that came here from another country almost all have access to money from their families. i am not talking about american born muslims or converts..

And if the "majority" of Muslims were actually appalled at the acts committed in the name of Islam they should at the very least make every one of those families millionaires..

There is a whole lot of money in the Muslim world 100,000$ is not that impressive..

Stop being so pathetic. Ok, whatever faith or lack of faith you follow, how much money have you given to the victims of each of the mass murders that have occurred this year alone in America that was not committed by someone who is Muslim but is following a twisted, radicalised, extremist version of that faith?

I'm guessing nothing or very little, but you seem to think others should have feelings of guilt when there is none for them to feel.

originally posted by: Macenroe82
Thats a very nice gesture. Its a shame that it happened in the first place.
What i dont understand is, how they become radicalised?
How is it that a group can read the same book as the others, yet still come out with a totally different message than the rest?

Easy,each individual mind is a different filter of experiences, emotions, etc. as well as differing levels of neurotransmitters and receptors, through which everything experienced, read, etc., is processed, therefore everyone perceives everything differently. That's not superlative.

Ever thought of the difference between a Catholic from a big city in the northern US, an evangelical from rural Alabama, and a 7th-Day Adventist? There's some core beliefs that are the same (or similar), but that's about it...

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Which families do you mean exactly?

Have we stooped to the point where we believe that those who have a particular faith ALL have vast sums of money? Are we REALLY back here again? I find your lack of imagination and awareness staggering. We live in the information age, and despite that, despite all the evidence which says that poverty affects all religions and all political spectra, there are still people who have bought the modified doctrines of the Nazi party, hook line and sinker.

Truly, we have learned nothing from the errors of history, if persons so ill informed still walk the world.

the ones that came here from another country almost all have access to money from their families. i am not talking about american born muslims or converts..

And if the "majority" of Muslims were actually appalled at the acts committed in the name of Islam they should at the very least make every one of those families millionaires..

There is a whole lot of money in the Muslim world 100,000$ is not that impressive..

Stop being so pathetic. Ok, whatever faith or lack of faith you follow, how much money have you given to the victims of each of the mass murders that have occurred this year alone in America that was not committed by someone who is Muslim but is following a twisted, radicalised, extremist version of that faith?

I'm guessing nothing or very little, but you seem to think others should have feelings of guilt when there is none for them to feel.

I dont think anyone should feel guilty unless they did something. But if Muslims are going to be all proud of how much other Muslims have raised it should at least be more than a lousy 100k for what 32 families..

And I have given my fair share I would bet thousands more than you...