US special forces traveling ‘very soon’ to Syria to fight Islamic State

Perhaps this seems farfetched and completely insane. What if the US actually now that the planet is at or close to the point of no return of a mega climate issue. So to "fix it" they want to nuke the oil fields over there so that the people over there have no way for fossile fuels. So then the rest of the world is forced to go green. Then we can continue use of fossile fuels we are able to get here so then the green house impact is decreased by 80%. the planet breaths easier, we get to keep our wealthy elites happy and rich(by having the only oil left to aquire) and then we can run the world and have superior fossile fule power?

a reply to: ~Lucidity
Maybe a stupid question, but is that chart accurate. Very messy war, not even in terms of gore, but the relations between groups.

That chart actually misses some not-so-fine points, like Russia's support for Iran.

a reply to: olaru12

US special forces traveling ‘very soon’ to Syria to fight Islamic State - in other words, Russia.

Either america is about to lose a whole heap of talent... or , sick black op impossible missions are about unfold.... you watch, .

a reply to: scubagravy

This sort of thing happens a LOT. It's not a great thing that the Prez is advertising it. That'll make it a little tougher in ways.

But surprisingly few teams are lost on non-DA missions. Sneak-n-peek or teach-n-preach missions are often pretty safe, if boring, because the entire goal is to NOT do the hard lifting. You sit back far from the action, and people from the selected new ally group come to you for instruction in explosives, political activism, first aid, use of whatever older radio equipment you're providing, use and maintenance of whatever older generation firearms you're providing and whatnot. Your mission does not involve engaging, generally, or it would be a DA mission.

It's a bit naive to think there not already out there as well as British SF this is just a rubber stamp of officialdom

a reply to: Bedlam

You sit back far from the action, and people from the selected new ally group come to you

But in this case aren't we dealing with a whole new series of variables that don't necessarily apply to the normal case?

For instance, the complex series of relationships demonstrated by the OP's picture. It seems to me that it might be difficult to determine who's really an ally.

With all of the airstrikes being carried out by several different factions, isn't it more likely that friendly forces may accidentally get hit because they happen to be working with a group that just happens to be someone else's enemy du jour?

And finally, isn't it more difficult to actually establish where the battle lines are drawn? The MSM has lead, or mislead, me to believe that these groups just fight each other where ever they happen to be at the time.

Thanks,

- dex

Here's another attempt at explaining...



And another...bit older...before Russian joined the fray...

originally posted by: DexterRiley

But in this case aren't we dealing with a whole new series of variables that don't necessarily apply to the normal case?

It's always a cluster #. You have a lot of people constantly monitoring who's with who, who likes having sex with dogs and who's boffing who's old lady in the governmental structure, and relaying it as odds and ends you can use to figure out who to screw over and who to prop up. And how. You can get a lot of mileage out of a simple phone call, if you know who's somewhere they ought not be at the time.

For instance, the complex series of relationships demonstrated by the OP's picture. It seems to me that it might be difficult to determine who's really an ally.

Well, they don't have to be a true ally as much as the group that destabilizes or props the part of the picture the gubmint wants destabilized or propped up. In a lot of cases, chaos is useful as well. sidenote: it used to be you'd have SOG in there propping up someone as well, and it might not be the same one you were advising, and then you'd have some agency-Army conflict. Actually that happened a lot. In 1992, they sort of ironed that out a bit with the advent of OMA.

With all of the airstrikes being carried out by several different factions, isn't it more likely that friendly forces may accidentally get hit because they happen to be working with a group that just happens to be someone else's enemy du jour?

It can happen, but you generally avoid being bomber bait by not being in the front. You wind them up and send them out. Or as an old friend said, 'I teach them how to blow # up, and when they don't listen, I suture up the stumps'

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm completely sure that Congress has no political will to challenge him on his usurpation of authority. If they had, they would have done this way back when he lead from behind on Libya.

Currently the (any) president is just a front man for the hidden organization. They run it like the mob, the bosses hide behind lawyers smiles and their oratory. The presider merely announces the program.

Remember when John Gotti was on trial and his lawyer did all the talking in court? Like that, the Teflon Dons of the Empire are above reproach, safe behind the hijacked government apparatus.

The entire government apparatus votes along the approved lines. if they didn't, they would not get into or remain in office.

They watched the movies, Goodfellas and Casino too often. The two best movies that show the mob operations day to day, from behind the scenes.

From behind the scenes, Kerry travels round the world to meet in secret, Hillary hides her secret Emails---Language warning…

a reply to: intrptr

The President has a lot of leeway when it comes to dispatching SOF anywhere. All he has to do is get the NSC to sign off on it and away you go. If you're going to be up to something higher profile, then it also requires a PDD but they are mostly undocumented and TS, so it's not like anyone's going to publish that you sent a team out to snatch someone.

a reply to: Bedlam

Wait a secodn. Rememebr Obamas first campaign promise, Change we can believe in? Nothings changed from Bush to Obama, has it?

The military decides which phase of the "multi phase operation" is next and when. Conquering any country is the same. So is fooling the public about it.

The president announces the decision already made. Notice the opening statement, just so the people are clear: "On my Orders"

The president doesn't have the power to wage war without congressional approval, its not up to him! And he didn't make the decision anyway, the military does. In fact, by the time the decision is announced military assets have long been been emplaced, ready to go and "operations" already underway… just in case somebody complains, its too late. The bombs have been thudding on their targets inside another hapless country.

originally posted by: intrptr
Nothings changed from Bush to Obama, has it?

I think Obama's issued more PDDs than Bush by a sizey margin, but other than that, no.

The military decides which phase of the "multi phase operation" is next and when.

THAT one is over with, and the context from which you removed it is no longer applicable.

The military doesn't get to assign itself to this sort of thing. THAT's all coming from the President and the NSC, or from the deputy secdef, or the deputy director of the agency. Or some combination of all three, depending on the situation.

eta: the Prez can also send out contractor groups of various types, and I'm not talking Academi either. There are somewhat more direct ways for the military to assemble plausibly deniable groups to send in if the President orders it.

a reply to: Bedlam

The military doesn't get to assign itself to this sort of thing. THAT's all coming from the President and the NSC, or from the deputy secdef, or the deputy director of the agency. Or some combination of all three, depending on the situation.

The military industrial complex as a whole is pulling the strings, influencing the government to make these decisions favorable to it through PACS (bribes) and pressure from their lawyer 'lobbyists'.

Government Representatives don't get elected or re elected without accepting these "Campaign Contributions" (bribes) and passing or influencing legislation for war so the factories for war can profit.

Thats what I meant when I said the government apparatus has been hijacked and by passed, totally illegally.

originally posted by: intrptr

The military industrial complex as a whole is pulling the strings, influencing the government to make these decisions favorable to it through PACS (bribes) and pressure from their lawyer 'lobbyists'.

To some extent, I agree. But it's been pretty much SOP to send in 'advisory' groups since the Spanish-American war, though. In various guises.

In this case, I don't think a huge number of 'factories for war' are going to profit. Although WE tend to make one-off stuff for this sort of thing, so WE do. That being the case, I, for one, welcome this new push for further advisory personnel in the area.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: olaru12

I just ask God to protect those American soldiers and bring them back alive.

What a stupid thing to say. It's rather dumb to ask god to do anything about this. God didn't create this mess, people did. Therefore only people can solve it. Praying, while nice and all, is quite a useless effort in this very real, bloody war. If god did even have a say in this, why would it let this crap go on for so long?

They are walking into a sh!t pit. People are dying, and will continue. AND the US is too little too late to the games - former CIA director has already come out saying that the world could effectively blame the US for what is happening in the ME right now, seeing as they are too little too late - hmmmm, I wonder why.....? Obama? Do you have any answers as to why you have been nothing but a total failure? No? Just crickets? Thought so...

remove head from a$$ please!

a reply to: Bedlam

To some extent, I agree. But it's been pretty much SOP to send in 'advisory' groups since the Spanish-American war, though. In various guises.

Another false flag… "Remember the Maine!" Just one in a long line of unjust wars.