Rancher killed by two police officers after his Gelbvieh Bull is hit by car.

Disgusting. But really, there are no words anymore...

They will walk, scot free, I'm sure...
The (murderous) LEO apologists will come up with SOMETHING this rancher did to deserve being shot.

My goodness, this just gets worse and worse. Everyday it's a new U.S. Citizen who's shot and killed by a cop(s), hiding behind a badge, getting away with murder.

Sick.

originally posted by: Salander
Another sad demonstration of how our law enforcement groups are not really into protecting and serving, despite their slogan.

Tarantino is spot on.

Holy Hell, could you possible make any less of an effort ?

Tarantino's an idiot savant. He figured out how to make movies that people will pay to see, but has no other personal or social value whatsoever.

originally posted by: lovebeck
Disgusting. But really, there are no words anymore...

They will walk, scot free, I'm sure...
The (murderous) LEO apologists will come up with SOMETHING this rancher did to deserve being shot.

My goodness, this just gets worse and worse. Everyday it's a new U.S. Citizen who's shot and killed by a cop(s), hiding behind a badge, getting away with murder.

Sick.

nah, not really, not where anybody real lives.

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight

originally posted by: intrptr
The Main Stream media message behind such a story is never be the "Man with a gun, man with a gun!"

Anywhere everywhere USA will one day be full of anxious ridden indoctrinated people crying out, Oh no, a Man With a Gun!

Wasn't there a biker shoot in Waco Texas recently, wherein the authorities (I will have to refresh my mind on this one) were shooting people from rooftops?

I heard the media lying about this just yesterday. They said the 'gangs' were responsible for the deaths there, with no mention of the 'cops' who were shooting bikers like fish in a barrel! Then they arrested everyone who was there, because they could. They were charged with 'being near a crime'. Un freaking believable. In TEXAS! I could not bear to listen, because it's like seeing a person burned alive. The newscaster (paid liar) is basically in flames, but doesn't realize it yet.

What did they expect? A reward for amplifying lies?

It doesn't work that way.



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Not to thread drift, but that is not what happened in Waco. There were no cops sniping bikers from the rooftops, that's ridiculous. They did have a presence and were expecting trouble though. I've spoken with several of the biker since, and they do think the cops took out the bandido.

'I'll quote myself from another thread
"Alright, well against my better judgment I answered a call from an inmate at the Jack Harwell detention center today. That's where the Cossacks are being held. I don't know where the others are, maybe segregated in the same place. I severed all ties with him several years ago when he started getting involved with all this horsesh#t, but we were once good friends and he knows my number.

A little background first. There's been bad blood between the Cossacks and Bandidos for years. Most of it stemming from the Cossacks rocking the Texas bottom rocker without permission or paying dues. Apparently if they had agreed to pay a certain amount per chapter in monthly dues the Bandidos would've allowed it, but they refused. There's been multiple clashes over the years revolving around this. Another friend told of a rather terrifying story recently where he was invited to go barhopping (he thought) and ended up in a van full of guys wearing hoodies, sporting chains and billy clubs, hitting all the biker clubs looking for "red and gold" (Bandidos).

Anyway, back to the inmate's account. This is how he said it went down, some of this won't be news to any of you. The head of the Waco Cossacks chapter (Owen something) received a call from a Bandido big wig, don't remember his name. The guy invited the Cossacks to the meeting to clear the air and settle their differences. This Owen guy agreed and called the various Cossack chapters in central Texas to tell them to show up for the meeting. The inmate told me they showed up 50 strong and when the Bandidos arrived the Cossacks were already there and he personally was in the parking lot. He said they came in hard and fast, bikes cars and trucks. One of the first ones in on a bike ran over a prospects foot and knocked him over into some other bikes-they started going at it. Then, while that was going on, the Bandidos started trying to park their bikes in front of the Cossacks bikes to block them in. Well apparently that's a big no no in outlaw clubs and that's when all hell broke loose. He said the first shot came from a Bandido pointed at the ground, either as a warning shot or as a signal. After that they were all shooting at them. He says he ran, saw one guy get shot in the back of the head while he was on the ground. The guy running next to him got hit in the head as well and went down. Said it was very close proximity when it touched off. He ran in the restaurant with several others and by then most everyone was crammed in the bathrooms and refer. Then it was over.

I asked him how many of them the cops shot, and he said none that he saw. If his account has any truth to it, and it does jive pretty well, then I figure the cops probably took the two Bandidos out. Suicide by cop. He also said that none of the Bandidos were from the heart of Texas area, they were a "wrecking crew" from San Antone and out of state. So if true, it appears this was a setup meant to convey a very clear message.

He said he was expecting a fight was likely, but not a gunfight. He was expecting a brawl if anything. However with 300 weapons found I'm not sure I believe him on that. Also (gag), he said they already have reporters asking about book deals and exclusive interviews, and the bikers are brewing a civil suit against Twinpeaks and the PD.


DISCLAIMER: I am in no way affiliated with any MC. I cannot claim this account to be factual, I was not there. This account came from one member of a particular MC and may well be bias and untrue."

As for what happened in this op, I'll wait until there is more substantive info before forming an opinion. But at face value, the cops should have waited on the rancher to get there and take care of it himself. Free range is usually in rural areas so I doubt there was any immediate danger to anyone in the area. A bizarre situation for sure.

a reply to: MartinD28

Hell yes they should have waited...The sheriff's office CALLED THE VICTIM to take care of it. After reading a few articles, it sounds like the two "cops" were on the other side of the road having a "discussion" then, as soon as this man was doing what he was 1. CALLED to do and 2. What everyone was aware he was going to do, including the two cops, they grabbed him, spun him around and then opened fire on him.

I'm wondering what their "discussion" was about? It was real nice of the killers to then handcuff his poor wife and his nephew and force them to the ground on the roadway, while their loved one lay dying. She even had a heart attack, bad enough to require a helicopter ride to a more equipped facility!

Their reported smugness at the scene after the fact just speaks volumes...

This is just so out of hand anymore...Its not like they were in downtown Detroit and the man had a rifle. They were in rural Idaho, in ranch land. The man was doing what he was supposed to. He never shot at the police and he never once was threatening to the officers.

Pigs.

a reply to: boncho

all i can say is expect more of this to come as our society breaks down. i hope the family does the right thing and avenges this poor soul.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Don't believe a one sided narrative automatically.

They also can't spin someone around, then claim the person was a threat to them. This is outrageous.

Yeah, but are we sure that's actually what happened?

This is a problem I see often. People automatically believe a certain narrative, and since they do, any information within that narrative helps to cement it in someone's mind. The whole narrative should be questioned, including all details held within.

Well, I don't disagree with that, but it does seem they were on private land, and that is a real issue for me. Shooting n the road would be another matter, and one of public safety.

I'll amend my comment, though, to state, if what happened is what we are told, it's outrageous! Should have said that to start, since I do get annoyed at people jumping to conclusions.

originally posted by: boncho
Ironically, the Sheriff's Office asked the rancher to go out and help with it:

Perhaps the most infuriating aspect of this tragedy is the fact that Yantis was shot because he had responded to a call for help from the same Sheriff’s Office whose personnel killed him on the scene.

freedominourtime.blogspot.ca...

That's even worse! If they called for his assistance, as is stated, then they should have known he'd be there, and armed. That the police are, according to the article, treating this as a shootout with police is even worse. He didn't even legally have to do anything.

If that sheriff has any integrity, the police responsible will be treated as a citizen would be, and not as thugh they were defending themselves.

a reply to: Interstellardove

Good update, with the local opinions. Do you know how many actual witnesses there were to this event? The stories mention the dead rancher, his wife, and a friend, plus deputies. If there were other witnesses, they should come forward to let people know what they saw. I'd like to see dashcam/copcam videos, too, if they have those. That could clear up a LOT.

My deepest sympathy to this man's family.
What could possibly justify this man's death? Seriously---what possible justification could they offer when the Sheriff called the owner of the animal to do what needed doing?
Constantly on these threads, we're told to do what law enforcement tells us to do---"Just follow orders" we're told and yet in this case the guy was doing exactly as he was asked to do---and died for his efforts. And still, these defenders of murderous cops are defending them. ... Would someone hand me the duct tape? My head is about to explode!
Another pair of terrified baby-men with guns and no working brain cells. They should spend the rest of their natural lives in jail with the rest of the criminals.
Drug test every officer who fires a gun in the line of duty. That would be a start.

What good are cameras if they aren't turned on?

a reply to: boncho

You know, the redundance we're seeing with these popo
involved shootings. Sooner or later an off duty officer, whom
always has his piece with him. Is gonna end up getting gunned
down by his own brothers.

GUN PARTNER!!!

Both cops empty their weapons. Not hoping for this to happen, by
any means. Just pointing to one of the doors that the frequency
of these incidents opens up. This has now become a very pressing
matter not just in the U.S. but around the world.

Why do the police hate us? Would make a great protest sign.
But of course could also get your ass beat, maced, clubed,
tasered, shot, cuiffed, charged, jailed, tried, sentenced
and imprisoned. Then raped released and left homeless and
shunned just walking the earth til you walk off a freeway
over pass. And cave in the front windshield of your arresting
officers SUV loaded down with family and trailor headed out
on their fourth paid vacation of the year. Good times in america!

Definitely piss poor police work and trigger happy stupid cops, They should have a field day when the lawyers start making them jump like trained monkeys in court. Just give the victims families a couple million dollars and let them have the cops badges as souvenirs.

originally posted by: boncho
Maybe bad communication from the Sheriff to the Deputies, but the Sheriff called the rancher and asked him to take care of it. In this case he should be treated like a professional, or as a consulting expert. Meaning the deputies should have just done whatever was his recommendation.

I completely agree with this comment.

As for the AR15/M16 comment, the media outlet linked in the OP is the one that didn't even confirm it was an AR, but then also made the unnecessary comparison to an M16.

And as for the deputies shooting it after it calmed down, that's not what I got from the story--I got that they were shooting it because it was charging people and things in the immediate vicinity, and that's why they started shooting, and it wasn't until after that that the bull calmed down and went and laid down in the driveway.

Either way, this is why I prefer to wait until we get a bigger picture of the events than just the comments from the family.

Here's some follow up.....

www.nwcn.com...

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: boncho

Bad news for the innocent rancher family...another injustice at the hands of two idiot people pretending to be responsible cops.

As for the cattle wandering around as they please into traffic...haven't Americans ever heard of...fences?

For the sake of a couple of lengths of wire, a few posts for a fence and a half dozen billion missing brain cells for the cops...that unfortunate rancher would still be alive now.

That gets me too, in a way. it's considered "free ranger" land, but I don't see how that works.. car hits my prize bull, I sue and win against the driver. But the driver loses, the farmer loses.. why not fence that behemoth in.

What if I'm some unscrupulous night time thief, and make off with said bull.. or just a complete scumbag and kill it..

I dont get that law.. but yet it is on the cards.. and in this case, not in question.

what is in question is why the sheriffs dept called this poor soul out, only to murder him.

It smacks of the despatch lady telling the man driving his heavily pregnant wife to hospital to "just tell them shes pregnant" as he was being pursued only for him to then be at gun point, forced to the ground under duress, for 20 mins as they decided to call an ambulance..

remember the days of a cop escorting pregnant mothers to the hospital? That was when they were law enforcement officers, and not POLICY enforcers... employed by a non-government agency, but a corporation. hidden under the legal aspect of government...

Free range if it is like here in oklahoma isn't necessarily on the ranchers own land. around here free range means public land, corps of engineers land, state land or federal land (such as in the training areas of military posts or in reserves or parks) though it can be on ones own land or on a neighbors land. the cattle are branded, tagged or chipped to prevent misunderstandings over ownership or rustling. several ranch's cattle will roam and forage on the same land. calves are rounded up and branded, tagged each season according to the already marked cows they are /nursing from or attached to.

Because the land may not be their own the ranchers do not cross fence or fence the range land.

on Ft Sill the ranchers sort of lease the land or inherited a family owned claim to range thier cattle on military reservations or other publicly owned lands. I don't know how widely applicable this sort of arrangement is but it seems logical that it would be at least somewhat universal.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Don't believe a one sided narrative automatically.

They also can't spin someone around, then claim the person was a threat to them. This is outrageous.

Yeah, but are we sure that's actually what happened?

This is a problem I see often. People automatically believe a certain narrative, and since they do, any information within that narrative helps to cement it in someone's mind. The whole narrative should be questioned, including all details held within.

Police have proven time and time again that they will lie in these situations or destroy evidence. Who exactly are we supposed to believe?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: boncho
Sooner or later an off duty officer, whom
always has his piece with him. Is gonna end up getting gunned
down by his own brothers.

Pretty close to happening already. There was a really good story, in NY I think, the cop was mistaken for a homicide suspect, beaten, didn't say anything about it, but was harassed by the department anyway because I guess the Captain found out about it, so they harassed this poor guy for years. Eventually he got a 1 million $ settlement, the cop guilty of the assault? He was given 500k in back pay for the time he was suspended.

That story is hard to find though, it was headline news a few months ago, tried searching and it seems buried.

Recent one:

Once he deemed she was okay, he then took off and chased down Sparfven, heroically tackling him before police arrived, despite the fact that he was off-duty.

When officers arrived, several were Owens’ former colleagues — yet he was assaulted, handcuffed, and arrested.

He had repeatedly informed the arresting officers that he was an cop in their very same department.

Owens then watched as his son, who had also previously worked on undercover operations with the department, was punched in the face and beaten before being placed in a police cruiser, The Providence Journal reports.

Source

So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a story coming soon to a headline near you.

The worst part of the OP story is the fact that the rancher was called to the scene by the Sheriff, who personally knew him, even said nice words about him in the follow up interview.

If the Sheriff called him there, he's an expert [as far as the deputies are concerned]. So they should have been taking his lead. I was surprised this came out of a close knit community like this. Problems in those places are usually handled much better. Cops are usually more diplomatic too.

There are plenty of local crimes that aren't prosecuted because the Sheriff or local PDs will negotiate peaceful solutions to problems. Is it a national thing that's infecting law enforcement, or is it just because we have greater dissemination of information.

A 6 Year Old autistic boy was just killed by an officer, shooting at the car claiming a threat. It turned out body cam footage showed the driver [father] had his hands up in the air however.

The two officers are now charged with murder.

It makes you wonder, is this a recent shift, something poisoning the psyche of LEOs, and suddenly they are acting fearful of their lives at the drop of a hat. Or is this old hat, its been happening like this for decades and we just didnt know because lack of communication, lack of evidence [recording, etc].

a reply to: Vaedur

Police have proven time and time again that they will lie in these situations or destroy evidence. Who exactly are we supposed to believe?

Worse yet, the department responsible for investigating this has been showed to have covered up or attempt a cover up with the actions of another officer in the death of a citizen.

originally posted by: baddmove
Here's some follow up.....

www.nwcn.com...

Thanks for that. This is poignant:

And, in fact, what many considered to be a routine call on a car collision with a bull could have escalated into something even more tragic.

"Even as the incident was occurring you have Donna, who was thrown down on the pavement, gun to her head, she has no weapon, she had just seen her husband shot to death," Taylor said. "And that’s what gave her a heart attack."

"You have Rowdy with an AR-15 pointed at him and he believes if he would have moved he would have been shot and killed as well," Taylor added.

Meantime, the local sheriff maintains he is waiting until all the facts come in before making judgments.

"I'm a transparent person, I will give you the facts when I know the facts," he said. "I'm not hiding anything from anybody."