Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: stevieray

Ahhh yes semantics switch...

You said "department heads run hospitals", but in actual fact you meant, same same isn't it hmmm hmmm hmmm...

Gimme a break.

You wing nuts have a problem with speaking correctly and then blame DNC shills for your own punctuational incoherence.


By the by, I'm as far from a democrat as anyone on this board. So I don't know what the DNC has to do with this.



Say things properly and you won't have to backtrack when called upon to answer for your embellishments...
That goes for you and Dr.Carson.

You've really sunk all the way to telling me "what I meant" ? That's just poor.

I used the word "run" first time, and still do. I'm just not gonna let you muddy the water by insinuating that we're talking about several different meanings of running the place.

I've been to all the classes, programs, seminars that break it down to leadership, management, administration, and more.

Has zero to do with this discussion. Dept heads run the hospital. Just like dept heads run a university. Top administrators set the tone and intervene when necessary, they don't run their people's programs. Not in any outfit that's worth anything.

Now Obama may tell the military leaders many layers removed from him, exactly what to do to celebrate LGBT in the military. But just the opposite is how we won WW2. No president ran Ike's or Bradley's or Patton's programs. They fired Patton when he correctly demanded to neuter Russia before they became a 40-year nightmare......but that's the 60,000 foot perspective, not running things.

a reply to: stevieray
Hey, I will give credit where credit is due.

You guys successfully abandoned the failed Politico story, and got many pages out of derailing to "the meaning of running things".

It's what dems and liberals do when the facts are harsh to them. Ever see a communism fanboy try to explain USSR, North Korea, Vietnam, East Germany, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, California, Detroit, Illinois, etc. ??

It always gets shot directly to a raging argument of "hawhawhawhaw you don't even know what it means".

Drag that out for 30 pages to avoid the 100% failure rate, lol.

a reply to: stevieray

LOL, 16 pages into this thread is hardly "abandoning" it. At this point it's like flogging a dead horse. Nothing said here will alter the fact Carson told a pretty big lie about his background and got called out on it. Same goes for his claim he stabbed someone and beat his own mother with a hammer. First time in history a political candidate was outraged over claims he wasn't a violent psychopath.

originally posted by: stevieray
They manage departments of the hospital. Each manages the hospital collaboratively. Each responsible for managing the hospital.

Many great leaders at various levels never get micro-managed by "others above them". The pre-eminent neurosurgeon
in the world would not be meddled with in their area, by any CEO worth their salt.

A single poster's anecdotal myth does not yield a world-wide rule about management and organizations.

Guess what?

That applies to you, too. Go tell a department head at a hospital (or anywhere else) that s/he's managing the enterprise, and s/he'll disagree. You're stretching this quite far to fit your narrative.

Further, please cite "the pre-eminent neurosurgeon" evidence - I'd like to see it.

originally posted by: stevieray

Pay no attention to those proven Clinton lies, possible espionage and/or treason, deaths, and attendant business-financial maneuverings. That would be silly to pursue. "Ganging up on her" if you will.

Why do you keep going off-topic and talking about Clinton?

This thread is about Carson. Stick to that. Stop trying to deflect.

Not everyone critical of Carson supports Clinton.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: stevieray

Imagine if you will, several humans so upset at the existence of another human....that they will abandon everything (mostly their dignity) and run off to join a movement dedicated to uncovering the vagaries in that human's usage of the words "scholarship"......"offered"......."involvement".

Thank God for these humans; the world needs them right now.

Pay no attention to those proven Clinton lies, possible espionage and/or treason, deaths, and attendant business-financial maneuverings. That would be silly to pursue. "Ganging up on her" if you will.

LOL now you're talking to yourself? Well, I suppose that makes the arguments easier ...

Not surprised. Hey, did you ever find any proof that General Westmoreland could be in two places at once?

How about proof that West Point offered a non-existent full scholarship to Dr. Carson?

No?

Not surprised about that either.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: stevieray
Hey, I will give credit where credit is due.

You guys successfully abandoned the failed Politico story, and got many pages out of derailing to "the meaning of running things".

It's what dems and liberals do when the facts are harsh to them. Ever see a communism fanboy try to explain USSR, North Korea, Vietnam, East Germany, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, California, Detroit, Illinois, etc. ??

It always gets shot directly to a raging argument of "hawhawhawhaw you don't even know what it means".

Drag that out for 30 pages to avoid the 100% failure rate, lol.

Speaking of failure rate, you mean you're still trying to prove that a Department Head actually runs Johns Hopkins?

Back-flips, sommersaults, trapeze work ... you could have just said "I misspoke."

Nope, you have to quadruple-down and try to claim in post after post that you didn't say what you said, on the record, or that it didn't mean what you said, or that someone is misquoting you, or that we're all out to get you ...

I can see why you admire Dr. Carson! You guys have a lot in common, LOL

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: stevieray

Pay no attention to those proven Clinton lies, possible espionage and/or treason, deaths, and attendant business-financial maneuverings. That would be silly to pursue. "Ganging up on her" if you will.

Why do you keep going off-topic and talking about Clinton?

This thread is about Carson. Stick to that. Stop trying to deflect.

Not everyone critical of Carson supports Clinton.

If you notice, the side-step is the dance of choice here among Carsonites.

The facts are clear. His book lied. Carson has admitted it. Representatives of Carson's campaign have admitted it.

Lying and then lying about lying is not going to dissway the faithful, which as I've said ...

... tickles me pink.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The facts are clear. His book lied. Carson has admitted it. Representatives of Carson's campaign have admitted it.

This story looks like a ping pong match and I haven't really kept up with the latest angle.

Last I checked it sounded like this was a small thing blown up out of extraordinary proportions about comments in a book written by a ghost rider?

So if you don't mind , could post the links to these facts your are talking about. Thanks ..

1. Where he lied and where Carson and his representatives have admitted to lying?

I really don't have a dog in this fight as I don't see any differences between the GOP and the DNC. Actually when I see a GOP or DNC front runner that is getting dissed by the MSM and both parties it peaks my curiosity as a possible good sign for that candidate not being bought and purchased as of now.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: stevieray

Pay no attention to those proven Clinton lies, possible espionage and/or treason, deaths, and attendant business-financial maneuverings. That would be silly to pursue. "Ganging up on her" if you will.

Why do you keep going off-topic and talking about Clinton?

This thread is about Carson. Stick to that. Stop trying to deflect.

Not everyone critical of Carson supports Clinton.

Hypocrisy is bad.

Gyrating, flapping about, and generally spazzing out about the meanings of various words from 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago......isn't valid if you avoid any recognition of deadly, illegal serial lying. To the American public, as an American official.

And nobody believes that bandwagon Trump, Carson, Cruz screamers aren't howling dems. That's just embarrassing to play that one, though we do see it. Same people who announce that Obama's a moderate and Jeb is the greatest conservative ever.

I mean it's OK, you can certainly continue to spout, espouse, and support the most childish nonsense until the cows come home. Free country, and the internet is here just to let you do it, haha.

But don't expect grown, rational men & women to agree with you.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Gryphon66

The facts are clear. His book lied. Carson has admitted it. Representatives of Carson's campaign have admitted it.

This story looks like a ping pong match and I haven't really kept up with the latest angle.

Last I checked it sounded like this was a small thing blown up out of extraordinary proportions about comments in a book written by a ghost rider?

So if you don't mind , could post the links to these facts your are talking about. Thanks ..

1. Where he lied and where Carson and his representatives have admitted to lying?

I really don't have a dog in this fight as I don't see any differences between the GOP and the DNC. Actually when I see a GOP or DNC front runner that is getting dissed by the MSM and both parties it peaks my curiosity as a possible good sign for that candidate not being bought and purchased as of now.

lol, apparently some rather important words are missing in the text for it to be a proper prosecution. But those little problems have been fixed with "anybody can surmise" or "it's obvious what he meant".

Don't hold your breath. You won't get a passage that shows "the lie". You'll get everything but.....especially mucho hate and condemnation if you persist in demanding real proof, real words, real passages.

a reply to: stevieray

Oh, and that "why ?" thing ? We're not sure. Apparently something that Carson said about something that happened when he was a kid......is a hard & fast determinant of whether he can be trusted with the nuclear football, or the future of LGBT.

Hence the comparison to Hillary. Apparently it's quite outrageous and unfair to be bothering the Queen-In-Waiting, about that lying to the American people about the deaths of 4 American citizens, no effort to help them, what the hell led up to it, or where in hell obama even was, for the duration of the assassinations and act of war.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: infolurker

From Carson's book

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college. ..."

When Politico made Carson aware that...(A) Westpoint is tax-payer funded and doesn't have scholarships and (B) Westpoint has no record of him ever applying or being accepted there..

He changed his story to claiming that General Westmorland offered him an "Appointment" at Westpoint verbally over lunch..

Carson, in his book, claims to have met Westmoreland on Memorial Day after being chosen to march in a Detroit parade.

But...the facts still haunt his BS...

"[A]ccording to records of Westmoreland's schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general's records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m. There are, however, several reports of an event in February of that year, similar to the one Carson described."

General Westmorland died in 2005, so Carson figured he could say what he likes..

These are just the facts...

www.npr.org...

un-oh....we've gone from "we caught him lying about Westmoreland" to "Westmoreland's dead so he can say anything".

Gets weaker and weaker....but rest assured that there will always be some variant of the meme. Even if they need to say "Westmoreland didn't have veal...it was chicken !!" "LIAR !!"

He claimed he was offered a "full Scholarship" to Westpoint.
That simply did not happen. WestPoint is taxpayer funded. they don't offer scholarships.

He was specific in his claim that he met with General Westmorland Memorial Day 1969...

That didn't happen either. General Westmorland was playing tennis in DC at the time. His schedule in the archives clearly documents this.

This is reality.

a reply to: Indigo5

Splitting words as to whether "scholarship" could ever be juxtaposed with "cost-free appointment".

Embarrassing, be ashamed.

Still waiting on any kind of proof besides your claims, your favorite websites, or the PDF with no cover / title / details. That would help. As a rational adult, I don't discount that Carson may be mixing up details of where he met Westmoreland. Or maybe not. Not a crime either way, as you and friends elevate it to worse than Clinton's treasonous acts. Be ashamed, you were supposed to end up better than this.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Indigo5

Splitting words as to whether "scholarship" could ever be juxtaposed with "cost-free appointment".

Embarrassing, be ashamed.

Still waiting on any kind of proof besides your claims, your favorite websites, or the PDF with no cover / title / details. That would help. As a rational adult, I don't discount that Carson may be mixing up details of where he met Westmoreland. Or maybe not. Not a crime either way, as you and friends elevate it to worse than Clinton's treasonous acts. Be ashamed, you were supposed to end up better than this.

Well, interupt 42.........just as I told you. You will be expected to accept their version, or you will incur the wrath of the little gang.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Indigo5

Splitting words as to whether "scholarship" could ever be juxtaposed with "cost-free appointment".

According to Westpoint records...he was never offered an appointment...nor did he ever even apply.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: Indigo5
Still waiting on any kind of proof besides your claims, your favorite websites, or the PDF with no cover / title / details.

His book...he wrote the same in his book.

originally posted by: stevieray As a rational adult

I am not seeing any evidence of a rational adult when you discount Carson's own book as my own biased source.

originally posted by: stevieray
I don't discount that Carson may be mixing up details of where he met Westmoreland. Or maybe not. Not a crime either way,

You don't think a predilection for lying should be examined when vetting a Presidential candidate?

gee, good thing Obama didn't have to put up with the grilling that Carsons had....(blatant sarcasm)

originally posted by: stevieray


Don't hold your breath. You won't get a passage that shows "the lie". You'll get everything but.....especially mucho hate and condemnation if you persist in demanding real proof, real words, real passages.

Wow...not sure what to do with the crazy land?...Ahem...HIS BOOK...His words..You guys are deriding Ben Carson's book as a hit-piece on Ben Carson

From Carson's book

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going.

As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college. ..."

Never happened...Not according to Westpoint...not according to (Carson's story B claim meeting General Westmorland and getting a verbal offer)...general Westmorland was playing tennis in DC that day.

Folks...he made it up...cuz he is a megalomaniac...Inventing his own greatness

This painting that hangs in his home sums up his view of himself....




And frankly the idea that anyone is interested in a campaign to discredit Carson...inaccurately assumes he has a snowball chance in hell. He is simply the crazy flavor of the week for the GOP. I have seen nothing that indicates he would last 5 minutes on a debate stage discussing anything of substance.

Hell...I am just pointing out the man has lied...and more than once...about his life story.

But the way you guys defend him is interesting too...You think he is actually a threat to anyone but himself?

a reply to: Indigo5

Exactly what in your QUOTE of Carson's book do you know to be false, and why ?

Don't say "they never sent him an offer", because Carson doesn't say this. Don't say "he applied" OR "he accepted" because Carson doesn't say this. Don't say "Detroit" because it's not there in the book.

What he does say is they (somebody, somewhere) offered. It's there in your quote. You can't prove this to be a lie.

What precisely makes you act and think like this, lol ?

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's embellishing something, it happens all the time, especially in politics.

Only problem is, there's currently no PROOF. You (and pals) have no PROOF, only spastic gyrations and demands that we accept your beliefs.

Every time one of you brings a quote, there's something missing. That thing that makes something in the quote "a lie".

We don't just go on you announcing that it's obvious and you just know it. This is the real world we're living in. Not your private world.

a reply to: stevieray

I do like this -

"And frankly the idea that anyone is interested in a campaign to discredit Carson...inaccurately assumes he has a snowball chance in hell. He is simply the crazy flavor of the week for the GOP. I have seen nothing that indicates he would last 5 minutes on a debate stage discussing anything of substance."

as well as the pretty portrait. It's almost as though you need something to cover the absence of any proof of the "lie".