ISIS Planted Bomb On Russian Airliner: U.S. Officials Believe

a reply to: Zaphod58

How do you know that 'investigators' are not lying, or coerced to keep their mouths shut?
You don't, so all you have is speculation, same as me or anyone else in this case.

...unless of course you actually are in contact with some folk there on the ground?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Hmm how convenient they just happen to get a large explosive device on there.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah, and the Russians have such a sterling record of honesty when it comes to airliners downed by explosives.

Why should they even admit to finding ISIS bomb evidence? Their investigators could claim anything but an ISIS bomb...and get away with it.

a reply to: grainofsand

And how do you know that these sources aren't lying to push an agenda? Saying this is a bomb embarrasses the hell out of Egypt and Russia and makes them look like they can't protect their own citizens. At the same time it makes people think that if they can do it there what's to stop them from coming here and doing it?

Until there's a shred of evidence otherwise, I'll listen to the investigators.

a reply to: IAMTAT

And the US intelligence service has such a stellar record of finding information out and being in the side of rainbows and kittens. They'd NEVER push an agenda like embarrassing Russia and Egypt and scaring the hell out of people to get more surveillance going or something along those lines.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well the source in my case is a UK government minister who has grounded incoming flights from Sharma until UK aviation security teams evaluate the situation there.
You know something they don't?

*Edit*
I don't 'know' of course, but neither do you...and I'm not making any assertions here.

a reply to: Zaphod58

...and now Russia could intentionally embarrass the US and UK by falsely claiming they found no evidence of an explosive device.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Which isn't nearly as embarrassing as allowing a bomb to be placed on board an aircraft, killing over 200 people. And they were saying no explosive residue long before this came out. This is a minor embarrassment in comparison, if anyone even notices it.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: intrptr

I was waiting for this. ISIS crisis building to Invasion intensity, namely Syria.

If anything Russia will escalate their missions in Syria and continue to pound the living day lights out of ISIS, which will remove the threat of the west putting boots on the ground.
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The U.S. and it's allies have been "pounding the living daylights" out of ISIS for a while now. It's not certain the Russians will be any more effective despite all the cheerleading.

a reply to: grainofsand

And airlines stopped flights over the area an hour after the crash was found, without knowing anything. It's called an overabundance of caution. If they don't, and something happens, they will be crucified. If they do stop flights, nothing happens, no harm, no foul, except a little money lost.

When the flights were suspended by the UK government they said it was because it MIGHT have been a bomb. They're being cautious, which is a good thing, just in case.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: grainofsand

And airlines stopped flights over the area an hour after the crash was found, without knowing anything. It's called an overabundance of caution. If they don't, and something happens, they will be crucified. If they do stop flights, nothing happens, no harm, no foul, except a little money lost.

So what are you saying then?
...all I know is the UK govt are checking planes from Egypt before allowing flights here with thousands of British people onboard.
Do you disagree with the UK govt desicion?
If so, why?

a reply to: grainofsand

No, I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry. See my edit to the above post you quoted.

I am against jumping to conclusions with nothing based in fact. Everyone is saying this is proof of an Isis bomb, or that is proof of an Isis bomb, when there is absolutely nothing pointing conclusively to anything but a maintenance failure at this point.

a reply to: Zaphod58

We are in agreement then.
I never jump to conclusions.

a reply to: grainofsand

IF there was a bomb, to which ISIS are claiming responsibility for, then there has been a major breach of security.

Absolutely yes the UK has taken the appropriate action, because if it was indeed a bomb, then who knows how many planes could be targeted.

Better to play it safe and save lives.

a reply to: woogleuk

#ing right, Sharma is lax as # security wise, and I'd rather board a flight which has been checked by UK aviation officials than Egyptian...every time!
Any less would be foolish as far as I see it.

a reply to: grainofsand

I would rather see them cause the airlines to lose money rather than risk a plane being brought down. But it's irresponsible of them to say it was a bomb when they don't have anything but a feeling in the community.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
But it's irresponsible of them to say it was a bomb when they don't have anything but a feeling in the community.

The UK govt has NOT said it was a bomb, just that there are suspicions and no flights are leaving from there to the UK until UK officials have said yeah go for it.
You disagree with that?

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: intrptr

I was waiting for this. ISIS crisis building to Invasion intensity, namely Syria.

If anything Russia will escalate their missions in Syria and continue to pound the living day lights out of ISIS, which will remove the threat of the west putting boots on the ground.
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The U.S. and it's allies have been "pounding the living daylights" out of ISIS for a while now. It's not certain the Russians will be any more effective despite all the cheerleading.

They may well have been, but let's be honest, they have not been as effective as the Russians.

The Russians have made more of a dent in ISIS's capability within a couple of months than the U.S has in almost a year.

I will cheer the Russians on if they wipe this scum from the face of the earth.

a reply to: IAMTAT

It was just too co-incidental to have not been a bomb..

240 lost souls in the name of religion..

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: grainofsand

I would rather see them cause the airlines to lose money rather than risk a plane being brought down. But it's irresponsible of them to say it was a bomb when they don't have anything but a feeling in the community.

I would suggest they have more than a feeling if they are taking these steps.

As for using this as an excuse to bring in more freedom reducing acts, well my Government are doing that anyway, bomb or no bomb.