Proof a Living Wage is Possible

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

No. I don't care what people make. High or low. It's none of my business. Neither should anyone else. Either make it or don't, but to take from someone else in order to better yourself, sounds weak and socialistic.

The elite are takitng the work from the lowest class and turning into extraordinary wealth.

Stopping the exploitation of the labor force is not about robbing from the rich, it's about making sure the workers get their fair share, which was the point of minimum wage and unions.

A strong minimum wage, unions and real opportunity for advancement are what made America the most productive and prosperous economy in history. The elitists want to eliminate these things until they own everything and everyone.

The elitists of this world would pay you 50 cents a day and let you survive off bread just to make more money. Oh wait they already did that. It was called the great depression.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko

. Stop pretending like the entire human population has something amazing they could do to all be successful, it's complete BS.

*Cue X-files music*

the matrix bro, the matrix, bow down to the almighty machine!

a reply to: ketsuko

Maybe you don't understand how the Elitists use the various currencies and the valuation of the world's currencies to their advantage.

It is all about inflation and deflation that gives the currency holder a since of buying power, even though their buying power actually decreases each year. It's really a wonderful illusion that is created.

If you do understand then I'm not sure what your point was.

Quotation: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

What Jefferson was talking about on a national scale is even more insane on the current global scale. It's all an illusion that people keep buying into.

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. - Henry Ford

a reply to: Isurrender73

Socialism. You just want socialism. You want to limit, control what a person can make. I'd have to say I'm against it.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Oh, I am well aware of currency manipulation. It happens when you decouple currency from something of value to back it. It's called fiat currency. When you hear people talking about the gold standard, you are talking about moving back to a time when we actually had to have gold reserves of real value to back our currency. We no longer have that. It freed up the dollar to the money games.

But creating one currency and trying to centrally and arbitrarily plan out how much everything is going to be worth doesn't really work either. For one thing, the economies of the world do no operate at the same level and you would create chaos trying to force them all on the same standard.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

Socialism. You just want socialism. You want to limit, control what a person can make. I'd have to say I'm against it.

You realize you live in a mixed economy already(Socialism/Capitalism)?

When corporations were controlled by the Sherman Act, which was a soft-cap on corporate dominance, the US was the greatest economy in the history of mankind.

But I guess fear of the "S Word" will prevent us from ever getting back to being the greatest nation on earth.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

Socialism. You just want socialism. You want to limit, control what a person can make. I'd have to say I'm against it.

I see this all too often...where Socialism or Communism is the first thing mentioned when people will not let Crony Capitalists have their way at the government level. There does not even need to be a socialist or communist policy, just not letting crony capitalists have their way is enough for the words to be spoken.

Letting Crony Capitalists open up trade with Communist China in order to make bank is far from Capitalism also. Especially when the work force in China is not voluntary. 250 Million were booted off their lands and sent to the cities to make widgets. There were huge protests about it in China but nary a peep here. In Free Market Capitalism, workers, consumers and owners work together voluntarily in the market.

Consumers and Workers, not purchasing products from China, in addition to killing these trade pacts in addition to as many other things as possible to take back power is a Pro American Policy Global Fascists would hate.

Killing the trade pacts would kill the lucrative profits of those at the top and there is nothing socialist about that especially when killing trade pacts with a Communist Nation.

Big Business would be more closer to Communism when they got in bed with China via Lobbying, than the majority of American Workers and Consumers.

a reply to: Isurrender73

I'm already unhappy with the level of oversight the government has on all of us. I do not want more. I understand that many do.

It's about the only thing I will actively fight against because it would ultimately affect me in some manner.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Isurrender73

Oh, I am well aware of currency manipulation. It happens when you decouple currency from something of value to back it. It's called fiat currency. When you hear people talking about the gold standard, you are talking about moving back to a time when we actually had to have gold reserves of real value to back our currency. We no longer have that. It freed up the dollar to the money games.

But creating one currency and trying to centrally and arbitrarily plan out how much everything is going to be worth doesn't really work either. For one thing, the economies of the world do no operate at the same level and you would create chaos trying to force them all on the same standard.

Tell me

How much is gold worth?

Is it edible? Can I drink it? Would I have enough to build a house with?

You want to back currency with a shiny rock. Shiny rocks are no different then paper. The elitists control the value of the shiny rocks just as easily as they control the value of paper.

Currently the majority of the Elite who own all the gold would love a gold standard because they would still have all the wealth and power.

A gold standard wouldn't change anything.

If I was in charge of the matrix I imagine it would take about 10 years to level the currency, minimum wage and the rest of the global economy.

Outside of the middle class and the impoverished ending up with a higher quality of life people would hardly notice the change.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

I'm already unhappy with the level of oversight the government has on all of us. I do not want more. I understand that many do.

It's about the only thing I will actively fight against because it would ultimately affect me in some manner.

Record amounts of money are being showered to revolving door politicians by deep pockets and your solution is to let them have their way? To heck with that. I'll be voting for the first one that throws all the banks and corporations out of our government.

Lets not forget the myth of "get an education!"

Ever since government subsidized education loans, educational facilities have decided to run amok and give themselves congress-like raises, passing the ever-growing cost to the student, who is guaranteed by the government, which will be the next inevitable crash of our economy because the people that paid a hundred thousand dollars for their education have had their jobs outsourced for pennies on the dollar due to free trade.

Cluster # in its finest

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

I'm already unhappy with the level of oversight the government has on all of us. I do not want more. I understand that many do.

It's about the only thing I will actively fight against because it would ultimately affect me in some manner.

I understand what you are saying, but the reality of my proposal is smaller government, less loopholes, and a higher standard of living for the middle and lower class.

The middle and lower class only push for more government intervention when they are already getting screwed by the system.

Limiting the actions of the top 1%, limits their ability to form a large and controlling global governance.

I want less government too. I prefer a global constitution with far fewer elected officials having almost no power to intact new laws. But we have to rebuild the entire matrix and it has to start somewhere.

Failure to control the top 1% will always end in fascism. Historically every government has turned to facisim at the whim of the global elitists minority.

Politicians are just humans that can be bought for a price. You can't change human nature but we may be able to change the matrix to keep the bad side of our nature in check.

originally posted by: Vector99
Lets not forget the myth of "get an education!"

Ever since government subsidized education loans, educational facilities have decided to run amok and give themselves congress-like raises, passing the ever-growing cost to the student, who is guaranteed by the government, which will be the next inevitable crash of our economy because the people that paid a hundred thousand dollars for their education have had their jobs outsourced for pennies on the dollar due to free trade.

Cluster # in its finest

Everything has been rigged to make the wealthy wealthier. In the Soviet Union, you had the State and Business in bed together while everyone else suffered and that is where we are now and will get worse with the TPP.
As a recent example, All truck companies used to pay for you to go to trucking school and that is mostly gone.
Now they claim to have a shortage in order to attract cheaper labor, but those in the trucking business say there is no shortage. Many of the same business lobby for amnesty to get that cheap labor. It is theft from the majority of Americans to the top wealthy.

Read my Sig.
Crony Capitalists do not believe in the Constitution where this country comes first and want everyone to be slaves to serve them.

a reply to: Isurrender73

You're not going to change the size and control of government by giving it more authority. Making a global constitution will only provide for fewer freedoms and more authoritarian control.

a reply to: jacobe001

Government, corporations, they've always been in control. The names change, but the authoritarian aspect always remains. That's why the 1st and 2nd Amendments are so important.

a reply to: Puppylove
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a reply to: Vector99
a reply to: jacobe001

Just wanted to say thank you to the members who have supported this thread. Hope I didn't miss anyone who had positive remarks.

I believe I answered most of the negative ones already.

a reply to: Puppylove

Nothing will change with increased automation...or any other change for that matter.

Hard work, astute choices will always give the edge to those that utilize them.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Isurrender73

In Zimbabwe, the currency has been so debased that everyone is a multi-millionaire in their native currency. Of course, it doesn't matter because it takes millions simply to buy a load of bread. But if you institute a cap on the amount a person can make, and then continue to debase the currency the way the Fed is, you are on a collision course.

You do understand that private central banks, usury and imports exceeding exports are the reasons for such inflation, right? Those are also the reasons for all inflation and economic problems globally.

My ideas are about changing the matrix we live in completely.

A fair and balanced competitive system that still allows for an elitists class while promoting humanity over an insatiable desire for power.

The type of inflation in Zimbabwe would be impossible if I were the author of the new matrix.

What happens to the people that don't want to be part of or participate in your new matrix? Are you going to force people to comply with your rules?

a reply to: jacobe001

I believe your example of the trucking industry is incorrect.

Every major trucking company has the goal of expansion. Quotas are set to hire new drivers. Their credit lines allow them to buy the equipment as needed...restricted only by the number of drivers hired.

Add all those quotas up and you have a fake 'shortage'.

The reason it is in actuality a fraud is the loads for those theoretical new drivers would be taken away from other companies via lower rates and perks. If there was an actual shortage, rates would soar and loads wouldn't be delivered.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Isurrender73

You're not going to change the size and control of government by giving it more authority. Making a global constitution will only provide for fewer freedoms and more authoritarian control.

Not that I'm going to win your vote.

My idea is similar to the idea of our founding fathers.

A basic constitution that dictates basic international laws, laws for humanity including environmental protection and an expanded bill of rights to protect civil liberties.

The rest of lawmaking would be left to sovereign nations. It would reflect the idea of Federal Government vs. State government on an international level. However, the global authority would have no power to intact any new laws.

I would also eliminate private meetings on the Federal and international level. All elected officials would be under 24 hour NSA type surveillance and all meetings between international parties would be televised.

Military would have a 5 year secrecy period. Each year all military records over 5 years old including research, minus high end tech, would be public record. Meaning if the military are building Iron Man suits they have to tell the world, but they don't have to release the blueprints.

It's what happens behind closed doors and in secret that causes wars, tyranny amd facisim. I would only support a truly 100% transparent government.

We the people are the government and there should be no secrets kept from us.