A short introduction about occupied Palestine in a 5 min. video

a reply to: voyger2

What, iyo, is the best solution for a peaceful future?

two state solution? if so, which borders?

serious question!

a reply to: nwtrucker

Palestine has been on maps since before the roman occupation, Israel never existed till 1947. People where living on the land, and yes there was jewish, Christians, and muslims, and most of them where of real semite ancestors.

a reply to: combatmaster

In my opinion, we should respect the following:
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 43/176

3. Affirms the following principles for the achievement of comprehensive peace:

(a) The withdrawal of Israel from the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and from the other occupied Arab territories;

(b) Guaranteeing arrangements for security of all States in the region, including those named in resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, within secure and internationally recognized boundaries;

(c) Resolving the problem of the Palestine refugees in conformity with General Assembly resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, and subsequent relevant resolutions;

(d) Dismantling the Israeli settlements in the territories occupied since 1967;

(e) Guaranteeing freedom of access to Holy Places, religious buildings and sites;

4. Notes the expressed desire and endeavours to place the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, under the supervision of the United Nations for a limited period, as part of the peace process;

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 43/177

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

Do you agree?

a reply to: voyger2

sorry.... im not too good with jargon...

maybe you could just use your own words!

so... what i understood was israel to withdraw to 67 borders! among other things... this was the main premise...

am i correct?

a reply to: buster2010

I'm still at a loss trying to figure out how your mind works??? LOL

First of all, not all the Jews left the region to go to Europe. Many stayed in Palestine, as you call it. (Ironically, the Jews and the Muslims got along just fine in those days. If not fiends then good neighbors, at the least.)

The homeland of the Jews in Europe was Palestine. Jesus was Jewish, A religion, not a nation...lord love a duck.

If there was no Israel, gone long before Christ, then by that logic the also was no Palestine, either.

Use the brain Allah gave you.....

a reply to: voyger2

Your even saying anything in that post, no 'facts' just spin, a convoluted spin at that.

a reply to: voyger2

The hamas charter clearly calls for the killing of every Jew as quoted in their reading of the Quran.
Do you feel they are not killing enough jews?
Or not quickly enough?
I do admit official statehood and modern weapons would definitely help them towards their goal.
And I'm sure the Palestinian state will be very inclusive and let Christians and Samaritans worship there freely right?

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: nwtrucker

Palestine has been on maps since before the roman occupation, Israel never existed till 1947. People where living on the land, and yes there was jewish, Christians, and muslims, and most of them where of real semite ancestors.

Actually the Kingdom of Israel existed until they were exiled by the Assyrians.
the tribes that were left form the land of Judea
Which was renamed Palestina by the romans after the bar kochba rebellion.
The Philistines as a nation were destroyed by the Assyrians thousands of years ago.
the Palestinians mostly are the progeny of illegal immigrants from Egypt Lebanon and Jordan that migrated after the Jews began improving the land they purchased from local landlords and from the Ottomans

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Slick.

Not gonna fly though.

The British in there 'magnificent empire' controlled immigration to Palestine as early as the thirties. Maybe longer, my knowledge is limited.

They issued emigration visas to Palestine and limited the number of Jews from Europe that could migrate. The was a small but steady flow long before the '48 proclamation.

Hence the Zionists. Their goal being the formation of a Jewish state. They used every means possible, largely money-being restricted from owning properties-to buy/bribe induce an increase of those visas or outright smuggling of people into the future State of Israel.( One hell of a job! Simply amazing persistence!) Safe to assume the influx had pissed of the locals in 'Palestine' and arms were smuggled in as much as possible. Also bought from anyone and everyone that would sell them.

Nazis? Your delusional if you believe that.

a reply to: voyger2

Well, that's your opinion and your entitled to it. Apparently, the Israelis disagree.

I suspect it is more of a leverage issue to be used in negotiating the best possible deal when the dust finally settles rather than disavowing an actual Palestinian state.

After all, Israel has negotiated an almost complete agreement based on PLO demands and Arafat just walked away from it.

a reply to: dashen

Im sorry illegal immigrants lol, the jewish people got kicked out during roman conquest, there has never been a country called israel untill 1947, the people that lived on the land where true semites,'be muslim, christian or muslims.

Israel today has nothing to do with the historical land of judea. Where do you get you illegal immigration.

The jewish that started moving to palestine in the lat 1930s where the reall illegal immigrants.

Its all in the history books, from many nations.

originally posted by: combatmaster
sorry.... im not too good with jargon...

Jargon?! Please elaborate.

originally posted by: combatmaster
so... what i understood was israel to withdraw to 67 borders! among other things... this was the main premise...
am i correct?

That and everything mentioned on UN resolutions.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: voyger2

Your even saying anything in that post, no 'facts' just spin, a convoluted spin at that.

Running way, like a coward from discussion. keep on ignoring.

a reply to: dashen

ooh... the infamous hamas charter.. ooh the likud charter... oooh the actual israel government charter (benny, et al).. we can speak about that later, if you want..

a reply to: voyger2

Ok... assuming for a second that Israel do all of the above... what would prevent another similar situation to the 6 day war?

bear in mind: if the 6 days war would NOT have occured.... this problem of occupation would be non existent!

a reply to: voyger2

Not particularly. Water off a duck's back when comments are via long distance. Eyeball to eyeball?

a reply to: voyger2

Ah, yet another avoidance.

Not very forthright on your part now, is it.

Imply cowardice in others and manifest the same when confronted by a valid point.

Discuss it later....

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

factually incorrect. Many Jews remained in the promised land right up to '48....

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

The Palestinians living in Israel DO have the same rights as the Jews. 20% of Israel's population is Muslim. They vote. They worship in their Mosques, raise their families and the last time I checked they aren't lining up at the borders trying to get back into 'Palestine".

Not true.

Here is one list of laws that discriminate against palestinians living in Israel. This is just one source but a starting point with valid links.

www.adalah.org...

The reason they aren't lining up to get into the Palestinian territories is the horrible conditions there. it's an occupation with the only goal of genocide and gaining all of that land for Israel.

a reply to: nwtrucker

First of all, not all the Jews left the region to go to Europe. Many stayed in Palestine, as you call it. (Ironically, the Jews and the Muslims got along just fine in those days. If not fiends then good neighbors, at the least.)

The Jews that were living in Palestine before the mass invasion by European Jews weren't calling for an Israel to be created.

The homeland of the Jews in Europe was Palestine. Jesus was Jewish, A religion, not a nation...lord love a duck.

The homeland for the Jewish faith is Palestine it isn't the homeland for a bunch of people that never came from there. Jesus was born in Palestine and turned his back on the Jewish faith. Maybe you should read up on him.

If there was no Israel, gone long before Christ, then by that logic the also was no Palestine, either.

Oh ye who is ignorant of history. What part of the Romans renaming the area after they defeated the Hebrews do you not understand?

Use the brain Allah gave you.

I had no idea you were Muslim. Maybe you should start doing a little studying instead of spouting Israeli propaganda it would do your brain some good.