BREAKING: Dashcam Video Just Released Shows Cop Murder Zachary Hammond

some of you are obviously very upset and feel all blame is on the shooter. im upset bc someone gave an impressionable youth the justification that it was OK to drive away when a cop pulls a gun on you when your are breaking the law. any of you blaming the cop for this are just like the original person that gave him his reasoning, and THAT person is just as liable.

actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

So the cop gets to murder somebodies child, or brother or friend or whatever.......

You're an idiot, and a hopeless troll.
Either that or you're unbelievably ignorant and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from dipping your toes in the gene pool, thanks

Give him a medal and ship him to the middle east

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Ignorance is true bliss... What law did the kid with no criminal record break?

a reply to: tonycodes

Just read the damm story at least before you comment and look like a dumb ass.. The kid broke no laws..

Maybe the dumb-ass should have stopped where he was when the cop blocked him in with the cruiser.

He would probably still be alive and already bailed out of jail then....

Life is not a game of Grand Theft Auto like all of these stupid people think it is.

You don't get another chance to play the board after you get killed by the cops out here in the real world.

As for the rest of the story..I certainly didn't get much from this supposed "video of the event".

Ya know, the cops should drive cars with 360 degree coverage like Google street View cars do instead of the little tunnel vision dash cams like they do now.

Maybe getting legislation passed to outfit police vehicles like this could kick the economy a half block or so down the road too....

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Actually, let's REALLY break this down:

"According to Seneca Police Chief John Covington, Hammond drove toward Lt. Tiller in an attempt to murder him. Fearing for his life, Tiller shot Hammond twice at point-blank range killing him."

THIS was the reason for the shooting according to the cop. It turned out to be a lie -- it's obvious from the video that this was a lie.

You don't get to invent a new reason now that the cop's story fell apart.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Yeah, the teen could have made some better decisions that would have made the out come different, but..

The decisions he made should not have ended his life.

yea dumb teens should know better, but..

shouldn't trained professionals with guns know better?

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
a reply to: tonycodes

Just read the damm story at least before you comment and look like a dumb ass.. The kid broke no laws..

I'd be careful about how you say other people look, just in case it's actually you who looks that way. Refusing to comply with a police officers orders is breaking the law.
Yes. He. Broke. The. Law.

I don't know why you can't get it through your head. You're so hell bent on blaming the cops (and so are many other people) that they refuse to admit that some morons out there WHO KNOW BETTER put themselves in positions to get shot/tackled/tasered/etc by the cops and they bloody deserve it. This kid deserved it. The people who taught him how to make his life choices also deserve punishment. Get off your idiotic "we should all stand up and defy authority" horse and realize that MOST people actually WANT these bloody laws in place, even if you disagree. You're dead wrong on this one. Every post you have in this thread about how people are sheep giving in to what "the man" tells them to do is dead wrong.

At some point you need to evaluate your line of thinking. You're not some tough guy who's above the law. Cops have a place in this world, and at some times that means shooting people, and I support that.

Let's be blunt. Some people have it coming. Some people know the life they live risks them ending up with a bullet and they tempt fate and lose. That's the way it should be. They have no business deciding that they're above the law running amok while the rest of us live happy, enjoyable lives within the law.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Ignorance is true bliss... What law did the kid with no criminal record break?

A lack of a criminal record doesn't make him an upstanding citizen in society. Do you even know what you're defending?

a reply to: stolencar18

i am not worried about how i look because i am right and you are wrong..

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Actually, let's REALLY break this down:

"According to Seneca Police Chief John Covington, Hammond drove toward Lt. Tiller in an attempt to murder him. Fearing for his life, Tiller shot Hammond twice at point-blank range killing him."

THIS was the reason for the shooting according to the cop. It turned out to be a lie -- it's obvious from the video that this was a lie.

You don't get to invent a new reason now that the cop's story fell apart.

Cop has 1-2 seconds (call it 3, whatever) to decide if his life is in danger or not. Makes a decision. He made the right one. That kid knew full well what he was doing.

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Ignorance is true bliss... What law did the kid with no criminal record break?

A lack of a criminal record doesn't make him an upstanding citizen in society. Do you even know what you're defending?

A 19 year old innocent kid who was murdered in broad daylight

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Actually, let's REALLY break this down:

"According to Seneca Police Chief John Covington, Hammond drove toward Lt. Tiller in an attempt to murder him. Fearing for his life, Tiller shot Hammond twice at point-blank range killing him."

THIS was the reason for the shooting according to the cop. It turned out to be a lie -- it's obvious from the video that this was a lie.

You don't get to invent a new reason now that the cop's story fell apart.

Cop has 1-2 seconds (call it 3, whatever) to decide if his life is in danger or not. Makes a decision. He made the right one. That kid knew full well what he was doing.

No the cop decided he was going to shoot him if he didnt stop right away.. He even told him I am going to shoot you then he did it.. He made no attemt to get out of the way yet still did not get hit. go figure..

originally posted by: alienjuggalo
a reply to: stolencar18

i am not worried about how i look because i am right and you are wrong..

Except you're not, and the vast majority agree with me. Thinking you're right doesn't make you right. You're (by far) in the minority here. Just because the same 15 people post over and over in every thread in this forum spouting off the same crap as you doesn't mean there's a majority. The majority avoid this forum because it's impossible to have a rational conversation with people who's sole argument is "i'm right, you're wrong".

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Exactly. Cop did the right thing. Kid risked it, cop did his job. One less punk.

a reply to: stolencar18

You are delusional..

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: tonycodes
actually lets just break this down.

criminal is breaking the law

cop pulls gun on criminal and attempts arrest.

criminal runs away

criminal can potentially kill someone in attempt to get away

cop shoots criminal so he cannot run away in panic and potentially kill any one..... or any children.... or no ones mom or dad or whatever..... sounds right to me and i feel this process is as American as it gets. does anyone feel this isnt a good system? if so, why?

Ignorance is true bliss... What law did the kid with no criminal record break?

A lack of a criminal record doesn't make him an upstanding citizen in society. Do you even know what you're defending?

A 19 year old innocent kid who was murdered in broad daylight

Not innocent.
Not a kid.
Not murdered.

I'll give you daylight.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Like I said...impossible to have rational conversation. Your mind is made up before your brain even considers the facts.

Kid risked his life.
Cop felt his life was at risk.
Cop used his weapon to stop a dangerous person from harming him or anyone else. (who knows...maybe the kid could have turned around and ran him over? Nobody knows! You can't predict the future, despite your claims).